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Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
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RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 7:28 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OK. Have either of you committed this sin? 

Have you coveted? (just thinking this might be along the same line)

I have committed the sin of dehumanizing people, but not in a sexual sense. I think it's usually men who struggle with that one. 

The way I've dehumanized people in my mind is when I've seen someone who is just super weird looking... like, wearing really weird clothes, having a ton of crazy piercings, weird hair colors, super goth types.... rather than just going on about my day and reminding myself that they are people, I kinda laugh in my head about it or think for a little too long about how weird they are. I've viewed them like pawns in a freak show rather than humans and that is wrong of me.

To covet just means to be jealous/envious of what someone else has and dwelling on the wish that you had that thing instead of them.  I think we've all done that. I'm sure I have.

That all seems like normal human behavior to me. I find nothing amoral in these thoughts. Just another reason why I don't understand christian sin. 

If you tied these thoughts to an action, that would be another story.
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#22
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 11:12 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have committed the sin of dehumanizing people, but not in a sexual sense. I think it's usually men who struggle with that one. 

The way I've dehumanized people in my mind is when I've seen someone who is just super weird looking... like, wearing really weird clothes, having a ton of crazy piercings, weird hair colors, super goth types.... rather than just going on about my day and reminding myself that they are people, I kinda laugh in my head about it or think for a little too long about how weird they are. I've viewed them like pawns in a freak show rather than humans and that is wrong of me.

To covet just means to be jealous/envious of what someone else has and dwelling on the wish that you had that thing instead of them.  I think we've all done that. I'm sure I have.

That all seems like normal human behavior to me. I find nothing amoral in these thoughts. Just another reason why I don't understand christian sin. 

If you tied these thoughts to an action, that would be another story.

The program was to make people condemn themselves. To do this the natural reactions and reflexes of humans were deemed to be "sinful". So just being human would mean you need The Church to save you from Hell. Zero production costs for The Church, so they can spend all the guilt money on pretty dresses.
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#23
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 11:12 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have committed the sin of dehumanizing people, but not in a sexual sense. I think it's usually men who struggle with that one. 

The way I've dehumanized people in my mind is when I've seen someone who is just super weird looking... like, wearing really weird clothes, having a ton of crazy piercings, weird hair colors, super goth types.... rather than just going on about my day and reminding myself that they are people, I kinda laugh in my head about it or think for a little too long about how weird they are. I've viewed them like pawns in a freak show rather than humans and that is wrong of me.

To covet just means to be jealous/envious of what someone else has and dwelling on the wish that you had that thing instead of them.  I think we've all done that. I'm sure I have.

That all seems like normal human behavior to me. I find nothing amoral in these thoughts. Just another reason why I don't understand christian sin. 

If you tied these thoughts to an action, that would be another story.

I think that you're not distinguishing properly what the bible teaches about sinful thoughts versus temptations to sin, which are normal human reactions. We are to give ourselves to God not only physically, but also in our minds. It we go against God's desires either physically or mentally, we are going against God. I'll give an example of what I'm saying about sinning in the mind versus having normal temptations. I can meet my friend's wife and right away feel attracted to her because of her looks or whatever. At that moment I have a few choices as to how to deal with it. One is that I can admit to myself that I'm attracted to her, but leave it at that and not let it go any further. This is not sinful, but rather reacting to a normal human drive and a temptation to commit an evil act. Another way to react would be to begin trying to get close to her and try to have a physical sexual relationship with her, which would be a sinful act. A third situation would be not to try to have a physical relationship with her, but to begin fantasizing and having the physical act in my mind or really wanting to have the physical act, but staying away from her against my own will because I'm afraid of God's reaction. This is sinful in God's eyes not because are you tempted, but because you really want to act on that temptation. Your mind does not desire what God desires.
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RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Lek Wrote: I think that you're not distinguishing properly what the bible teaches about sinful thoughts versus temptations to sin, which are normal human reactions.  We are to give ourselves to God not only physically, but also in our minds.  It we go against God's desires either physically or mentally, we are going against God.  I'll give an example of what I'm saying about sinning in the mind versus having normal temptations.  I can meet my friend's wife and right away feel attracted to her because of her looks or whatever.  At that moment I have a few choices as to how to deal with it.  One is that I can admit to myself  that I'm attracted to her, but leave it at that and not let it go any further.  This is not sinful, but rather reacting to a normal human drive and a temptation to commit an evil act.  Another way to react would be to begin trying to get close to her and try to have a physical sexual relationship with her, which would be a sinful act.  A third situation would be not to try to have a physical relationship with her, but to begin fantasizing and having the physical act in my mind or really wanting to have the physical act, but staying away from her against my own will because I'm afraid of God's reaction.  This is sinful in God's eyes not because are you tempted, but because you really want to act on that temptation.  Your mind does not desire what God desires.

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Great, didn't give morals/guidance but does give fear. What a wonderful concept. Pass.
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#25
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 6:49 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Lek Wrote: I think that you're not distinguishing properly what the bible teaches about sinful thoughts versus temptations to sin, which are normal human reactions.  We are to give ourselves to God not only physically, but also in our minds.  It we go against God's desires either physically or mentally, we are going against God.  I'll give an example of what I'm saying about sinning in the mind versus having normal temptations.  I can meet my friend's wife and right away feel attracted to her because of her looks or whatever.  At that moment I have a few choices as to how to deal with it.  One is that I can admit to myself  that I'm attracted to her, but leave it at that and not let it go any further.  This is not sinful, but rather reacting to a normal human drive and a temptation to commit an evil act.  Another way to react would be to begin trying to get close to her and try to have a physical sexual relationship with her, which would be a sinful act.  A third situation would be not to try to have a physical relationship with her, but to begin fantasizing and having the physical act in my mind or really wanting to have the physical act, but staying away from her against my own will because I'm afraid of God's reaction.  This is sinful in God's eyes not because are you tempted, but because you really want to act on that temptation.  Your mind does not desire what God desires.

bold mine

Great, didn't give morals/guidance but does give fear. What a wonderful concept. Pass.

Yeah. My reference to fear was a negative one. My guidance is to follow God.
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#26
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 11:12 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have committed the sin of dehumanizing people, but not in a sexual sense. I think it's usually men who struggle with that one. 

The way I've dehumanized people in my mind is when I've seen someone who is just super weird looking... like, wearing really weird clothes, having a ton of crazy piercings, weird hair colors, super goth types.... rather than just going on about my day and reminding myself that they are people, I kinda laugh in my head about it or think for a little too long about how weird they are. I've viewed them like pawns in a freak show rather than humans and that is wrong of me.

To covet just means to be jealous/envious of what someone else has and dwelling on the wish that you had that thing instead of them.  I think we've all done that. I'm sure I have.

That all seems like normal human behavior to me. I find nothing amoral in these thoughts. Just another reason why I don't understand christian sin. 

If you tied these thoughts to an action, that would be another story.

Well in Christianity, it isn't just about actions. It's about what type of heart we have. Imagine a person who hates gay people for the mere fact that they are gay. This person likes to fantasize about hurting them and wishes they would all just be executed. While this person is too cowardly or whatever to actually go out and act on his desires by hurting a gay person, does the fact that he feels this way about them play a role in the type of person he is? If the answer is yes, then hopefully you can understand why we believe "thoughts" can be immoral without actions. Because it all comes down to the type of person someone is, at their core.

I also would like to add that I agree, that dehumanizing people sometimes is "normal" human behavior. But the way I see it, just because something is normal behavior, doesn't mean it's moral behavior. Likewise, when someone is in a super bad mood and going through a rough time in life, it's "normal" to lash out at a completely innocent bystander just because they happen to be close to you. But does that make it moral to do so? I would say not.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#27
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
Excellent response CL! Yes, who you are in your heart is the crux of the issue.
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#28
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 14, 2016 at 4:32 pm)mihoda Wrote: Do you ever notice that some people, usually extremely religious people, just totally lose their shit when dirty words are spoken? You can be talking about sensitive adult-subjects, like Trump's sexual assault, and they're totally fine with defending the Gropenfuhrer, but quote Trump by using the word 'pussy' in a sentence and suddenly YOU are the person who is beyond the pale.

Why is this? Why is propriety for some defined as a list of forbidden words? Why is it that words in the conversation clearly bother some people more than the heinous implications of the conversation?

I think you bring up an interesting discussion but inappropriately label it as Christian thing.  It's more of a human thing.  I know Christians who have no filter and I know atheists who are as prude as Mother Theresa.  It really comes down to the individual's comfort level and the connotations that a particular word or phrase means to them.  

Hell I have a sister in law who if I use the word 'moist' in a sentence she freaks out.  It disgusts her.  Words by themselves are not harming it's how they are used and the meaning being conveyed that can do the damage.
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#29
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
I only swear when I'm driving. I don't think I self censor though. It's just, unless I stub my toe or some asshole doesn't know how to drive, I never have the urge to use swear words in spoken language. I don't care if other people do but it's just not how I talk.
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#30
RE: Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words
(October 16, 2016 at 1:22 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 11:12 am)mh.brewer Wrote: That all seems like normal human behavior to me. I find nothing amoral in these thoughts. Just another reason why I don't understand christian sin. 

If you tied these thoughts to an action, that would be another story.

The program was to make people condemn themselves. To do this the natural reactions and reflexes of humans were deemed to be "sinful". So just being human would mean you need The Church to save you from Hell. Zero production costs for The Church, so they can spend all the guilt money on pretty dresses.

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(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
Religious Views: He gay

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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
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