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Apparitions from heaven???
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#43
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Yeah, I saw that when I researched this stuff before. Even people on the ground weren't convinced, or saw nothing at all. They were there; they ought to know.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(November 1, 2016 at 8:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(November 1, 2016 at 7:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's the story, yes. How was the rest of the Solar System not affected? Why did nobody outside this one tiny village not notice anything? You can see the effects of the Sun's apparent diurnal motion every day. Have the Sun nipping about the sky off its axis and more than half the planet is going to spot something odd, even if everything else is equal.

Because it was a visual miracle for the people who were gathered at that spot. It wasn't supposed to actually have effects in the solar system, or to be seen by everyone in the world.  

The 3 children had been claiming to be seeing and speaking with the Virgin Mary for quite some time. Nobody in the town believed them. So Mary said she'd do something on October 13 at 1:00pm (I think that was the time she said) at that exact spot to show people that they were not lying. So the kids got the word out there that something would happen at that spot at that time. And tens of thousands of people came and gathered there that day to see.

Way more than 3 children in the village where I hail from in my homecountry saw the Virgin Mary, and I was in that village at the time. Worse, I was there with those kids when it apparently happened. And I didn't see her. I suspect it was a stranger nun they saw who came from a faraway village to visit the principal church (Orthodox) in our village. At the time, so-called icon oil-dripping miracles were occurring at the church, and people from all over were visiting it. And I did see a few nuns around then.
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(November 1, 2016 at 8:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You think thousands of people, even if that figure is accurate, reporting having seen the Sun literally flying around off its axis with no physical effects is more convincing than literally millions of people on the rest of the planet not seeing anything at all?

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They weren't supposed to. That's why the kids were told to have people come to that spot.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#46
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Then why fling the Sun around like a ping-pong ball? Was "God" blinding the rest of the planet to the shifting star?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(November 1, 2016 at 8:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 1, 2016 at 8:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It was the actual sun moving, though without disrupting the solar system, and with only being visible to the 50k+ people gathered at that spot. The point of it was to show the town that the children were indeed telling the truth. So it had no effect on the world or on everyone else who was not there.

I just find it very unlikely that tens of thousands of people had the same hallucination at the same time, as predicted by 3 kids. Not everyone there were Catholics who believed the kids and who actually expected to see something. Also, the kids didn't say it would have anything to do with the sun... just that something would happen, but they had no idea what it would be.

The "kids" never predicted the so-called "miracle"; your history is extremely poor.  What they predicted was a miracle, not necessarily one having to do with the Sun; in fact, Lucia never mentioned the Sun prior to the October 13, 1917 event.  Also, the kiddos made other claims, such as being visited by an angel who gave them a consecrated host:

Um, that's exactly what I said. Look at the blue.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(November 1, 2016 at 8:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The 3 children had been claiming to be seeing and speaking with the Virgin Mary for quite some time. Nobody in the town believed them. So Mary said she'd do something on October 13 at 1:00pm (I think that was the time she said) at that exact spot to show people that they were not lying. So the kids got the word out there that something would happen at that spot at that time. And tens of thousands of people came and gathered there that day to see.

The children were obviously under the influence of Satan.
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Yeah, how can you know it wasn't Satan who moved the sun? Tongue
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"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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