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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:35 pm
If I say a random thing such as "A billion light years away, there is a planet in which every inhabitant is a unicorn who speak chinese". If I ask you to prove that, why would you waste your time trying to disprove a random thought I just had?
Plus miracles can be disproven using simple logic and facts.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:41 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 12:25 pm)Emzap Wrote: Hello!
I am a Christian studying different arguments against Christianity and Christian beliefs. One that I have come across is that science proves that the miracles of the Bible did not happen. I've done a little research into this, but I keep coming back to asking how science proves this.
I don't understand how science can actually prove that something didn't happen. Yes, science can give alternate explanations of Biblical miracles, or deny that they happened at all. However, how can science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Thank you! 
Science would be wasted 'proving' the bible miracles didn't happen. Might just as productively use science to prove that super powerful spidermen can't result from the bite of a radioactive spider.
Why don't you start by successfully arguing that the bible is historically true at every point and not an amalgam of several other forms of literature altogether?
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Yup, we don't need to urgently disprove anything that is completely implausible and for which we have zero good reasons to think that it happened in the first place.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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Goodness gracious Whatevs, that would take an appreciation and understanding of art, hell...they might have to fucking learn something! They'd prefer to consider the OT a crystal ball propheysing some jesus...than to realize that it's one of the most detailed sociopolitical commentaries of antiquity, even if it gets some dates and details wrong.
@OP. The bible, ot and nt, make falsifiable claims. Many of the miracles therein are examples of those claims. If/when we apply the scientific method to a claim and it is ruled out on the basis of the testable portion that's as close to "proving" as science gets. We could always have the science wrong, or it may be that every piece of available evidence just makes it -look- like some event "x" never took place or couldn't take place...but both of those propositions are rationally useless objections. Hidden miracles aren't very miraculous, and someone else being wrong about everything won't make you right about anything.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:49 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Goodness gracious Whatevs, that would take an appreciation and understanding of art, hell...they might have to fucking learn something! They'd prefer to consider the OT a crystal ball propheysing some jesus...than to realize that it's one of the most detailed sociopolitical commentaries of antiquity, even if it gets some dates and details wrong.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting anything relevant in a jiffy.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Here's an easy miracle for a Biblicist to perform:
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
No shortage of sick people in the world, nursing homes and hospitals are filled with them. There aren't any asterisks or terms and conditions on this offer, just have a True Christian Believer walk in and start the laying on of the hands.
Do that and the medical/scientific community will stand there with their mouths agape. I've got a weird mole on my right thigh, zorch that while your at it.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 1:54 pm
Science does not disprove the miracles of the bible. It does give us a good foundation upon which to doubt they happened. Particularly the flood and the Exodus.
The miracles aren't evidence of God because you have to accept the existence of God first in order to then go on and make a plausible case for miracles. That's circular.
Ancient people made up miracle stories. Each of them is consistent with their own theories about gods and the universe. We don't conclude that they're all true. The more likely explanation is that people of the time were gullible and made up stories. If you think the stories made up about your god are 'special' then you need to justify that.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 2:01 pm
Indirect or circumstantial evidence. Disproving the bible isn't the goal; it's just collateral damage.
For example: A Geocentric "Universe", in which the "heavens" all revolve around the Earth was replaced when it was discovered that the Earth was Heliocentric; revolving around the Sun , which was the centerpiece of a small star system, which is part of a larger star cluster, which is part of a galaxy, which is one of many galaxies in a larger universe.
Thanks to Science!, we can rest easy knowing that we do not live in an oversized snow-globe with moving lights attached to the ceiling.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 2:02 pm
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The men who wrote the Bible were ignorant primitives who knew nothing about the importance of method in discerning what can be known to be true. And naturally the Bible contain numerous scientific inaccuracies. The earth is not flat, bats are not birds, the sun cannot just 'stop in the middle of the sky' and miracles are completely impossible according to everything we know about anything at all and even if some miracle did happen, the Bible contains multiple contradictory accounts of events and as such can't be trusted as a reliable account of them.
The assembled knowledge of the last two thousand years puts the Bible in contradiction with basic knowledge we teach to children, which inherently renders it useless as a reliable accounting of anything.
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RE: How does "Science prove that the miracles of the Bible did not happen" ?
November 2, 2016 at 2:09 pm
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I've noted in some of the Mormon apologetics stuff I've encountered someone will say something like they think there is an old account somewhere of Joe Smith being arrested, tried, convicted and fined $28 for "Money Digging", and the apologist will say that's preposterous and no such proof would ever be produced. Some time later, lo and behold, old court records are found and corroborating newspaper accounts too !!
So, does the apologist fold up his tent and move on to Scientology or Jehovah's Witnesses ?? Hell no!! He'll point out a detail like the fine was actually $28 PLUS 50 cents for a replevin fee or something, and then state assuredly, "See! The article is WRONG !!!! Neener! Neener! Neener!"
And keep right on spouting Mormon drivel as Godly Truth.
So pinning down our new member here is going to be a slippery endeavor, I betcha. We are up against 3 years of college level Christer book larnin'.
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