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Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm
For the purpose of this question...
Theocratic = you must believe in god
Atheocratic = you must not believe in god
I know theocratic doesn't have that meaning (or does it?), and I'm not sure atheocratic is even a word, but if they did mean the above, my question is :
Would you rather live in a theocratic or an atheocratic state?
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm
ATHEOCRATIC STATE! BRING ON THE SECULAR POLITICS!
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm
(August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Scarface Wrote: Theocratic = you must believe in god
Atheocratic = you must not believe in god
Any society that forces one to have any particular attitude regarding what is a personal matter (religious, sexual or racial attitudes) isn't going to be worthwhile. In the end, there is no difference between either of the options you've presented-- the common word being "must."
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Seeing that you "must" be one or the other, I would only fit into the atheocratic society.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 9:07 pm
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(August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Scarface Wrote: Theocratic = you must believe in god
Atheocratic = you must not believe in god
Trick question. The answer is neither.
Both are the result of the state telling me what my religious views are supposed to be and both can only be the result of the state having much more power over its population than a government should rightly have.
I'd rather live in a theocratic state that made it illegal to discriminate (similarly to modern civil rights movements) against a person's religion than an atheist state that forces everyone to have a particular set (or lack) of religious views.
Assuming, however, that I MUST choose between one or the other, I suppose I'd rather live in Atheocratic state because at least then I may not run into issues with the state in this regard, but to me it's like choosing one horrible dictatorship over the other.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I'd rather live in a place where asshole creationists were rounded up and kept medicated for everyone's good.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 10:08 pm
(August 29, 2010 at 9:07 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: (August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Scarface Wrote: Theocratic = you must believe in god
Atheocratic = you must not believe in god
Trick question. The answer is neither.
Both are the result of the state telling me what my religious views are supposed to be and both can only be the result of the state having much more power over its population than a government should rightly have.
I'd rather live in a theocratic state that made it illegal to discriminate (similarly to modern civil rights movements) against a person's religion than an atheist state that forces everyone to have a particular set (or lack) of religious views or lack thereof.
Assuming, however, that I MUST choose between one or the other, I suppose I'd rather live in Atheocratic state because at least then I may not run into issues with the state in this regard, but to me it's like choosing one horrible dictatorship over the other.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 11:18 pm
I thought the questions was about which country, so I'll answer that question first,:
I've only visited 20 odd countries,and lived in only one other. I love living here, in Adelaide, South Australia.
If I couldn't live here, I would live in BC Canada, (I have dual citizenship) Southern Ireland or England. I have a long list of suitable countries. The US is not is not on my list.
When I retired, I briefly considered going to live in TONGA: good climate and cheap living costs. I decided against it because of poor health care system and because most of the population belongs to one of those weird sects,such as JWs and that sets the tore of the entire society.
I want a secular country,where everyone is free to believe what they wish and free to worship as they wish,or not at all..Viz freedom OF and FROM religion. Ideally,all religious organsitations would be taxed as any corporation and their schools attract no government funding.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 29, 2010 at 11:29 pm
(August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Scarface Wrote: For the purpose of this question...
Theocratic = you must believe in god
Atheocratic = you must not believe in god
I know theocratic doesn't have that meaning (or does it?), and I'm not sure atheocratic is even a word, but if they did mean the above, my question is :
Would you rather live in a theocratic or an atheocratic state?
Given that these are the only two choices, atheocratic without question. I can't imagine anything worse than the first option. As another mentioned, the qualification "must" is little troubling, heavy-handed and says that I have to disbelieve regardless of whether there is anything to believe in or not, but since there most likely is not, this doesn't seem to be a problem.
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RE: Where would you rather live?
August 30, 2010 at 8:24 am
They're both just as bad as each other. Most people have answered the question based on their personal preferences, but at the end of the day you'd have to live in that country, with millions of other people, many of which would be forced into behaviour which they would strongly disagree with, and this would affect everyone. I would choose a theocratic state, only because I believe that such a state would, overall, be more interesting to live in (I've always found people who believe in god to be more creative and artistic). But if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't know which to choose.
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