Hi, an agnostic here ... just agnostic.

[Jesster]

Yes you can. You do so by piecing together the word parts. Please learn how to Greek.

Rofl. "Atheos" is the root word of both "atheist" and "atheism", with suffix swaps. "Theist" isn't the root for "atheist" and "theism" the root for "atheism". 

John Kersey the younger, A New English Dictionary (1702)
Atheism, the Opinion of
An Atheist, who denies the Being of a God.

An Universal Etymological English Dictionary, Nathan Bailey, R. Ware, 1756
ATHEIST (from Gr. without God) one that denies the exiftence of God.

A dictionary of the English language., Samuel Johnson, 1768
A’the-ist, f. One that denies the existence of a God.

“ATHEISM and atheist are words formed from Greek roots and with Greek derivative endings. Nevertheless they are not Greek ; their formation is not consonant with Greek usage. In Greek they said atheos and atheotes ; to these the English words ungodly and ungodliness correspond rather closely. In exactly the same way as ungodly, atheos was used as an expression of severe censure and moral condemnation ; this use is an old one, and the oldest that can be traced. Not till later do we find it employed to denote a certain philosophical creed ; we even meet with philosophers bearing atheos as a regular surname. We know very little of the men in question ; but it can hardly be doubted that atheos, as applied to them, implied not only a denial of the gods of popular belief, but a denial of gods in the widest sense of the word, or Atheism as it is nowadays understood.”, Atheism in pagan antiquity by Drachmann, A. B.

Rofl, you're boring me. Now you're just restating what others have said when I don't care about their authority. I don't care at all about personal usage. None of that has anything to do with the word structure. "A-" is a prefix to "theos" no matter how many times you try to deny it. "The" is the shortened form of "theos" used in "theism" and "a-" is the prefix. Look it the fuck up. I'm tired of this coming down to an assertion-fest.

I'll let the others get back to welcoming you now.

[GrandizerII]

Who cares how other people define terms anyway? No one person or group is the ultimate authority on definitions. How I would go about things is to accept one's definition of a word and go from there. Waste of time to argue semantics.

[Jesster]

Who cares how other people define terms anyway? No one person or group is the ultimate authority on definitions. How I would go about things is to accept one's definition of a word and go from there. Waste of time to argue semantics.

In the end, I agree. As long as someone is asserting something though, I am going to feel free to join in. I don't care how anyone else uses these words until then.

[TheHuxleyAgnostic]

For any claim: X, you can believe X is true, believe X is false, or have no belief either way. 

Person A: belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person B: no belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person C: no belief X is true, belief X is false

You can do it, if you want, but I think it's nonsensical to pretend B and C are the same, just because they share "no belief X is true", when B also shares "no belief X is false" with A. B is neither, but shares a commonality with both.

Nope. You either believe something or you do not. There are two separate claims that you are confusing and you've created a false dichotomy out of them. There is a claim that there is a god. There is another claim that there is not a god.

A theist will believe that there is a god.

An atheist will not accept that belief.

You can also accept or not accept the belief that there is no god. Either one can be an atheist.

I neither accept the belief that there is a god or the claim that there is not a god.

I haven't created a false dichotomy. I presented 3 possible options, when there are 3 possible options. Presenting only 2 options, when there are actually 3 options, is a false dichotomy. 

Objectively, the corner store is either open or closed. I can believe either, or I can have no idea, and have no belief, either way. 

Objectively, I'm either drinking a Coke, or I'm not. You can believe either, or, since you have no clue, you can have no belief, either way. 

There are no rules on questions and at what point to label. You're just choosing to only offer two options, before labelling.

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Rofl. "Atheos" is the root word of both "atheist" and "atheism", with suffix swaps. "Theist" isn't the root for "atheist" and "theism" the root for "atheism". 

John Kersey the younger, A New English Dictionary (1702)
Atheism, the Opinion of
An Atheist, who denies the Being of a God.

An Universal Etymological English Dictionary, Nathan Bailey, R. Ware, 1756
ATHEIST (from Gr. without God) one that denies the exiftence of God.

A dictionary of the English language., Samuel Johnson, 1768
A’the-ist, f. One that denies the existence of a God.

“ATHEISM and atheist are words formed from Greek roots and with Greek derivative endings. Nevertheless they are not Greek ; their formation is not consonant with Greek usage. In Greek they said atheos and atheotes ; to these the English words ungodly and ungodliness correspond rather closely. In exactly the same way as ungodly, atheos was used as an expression of severe censure and moral condemnation ; this use is an old one, and the oldest that can be traced. Not till later do we find it employed to denote a certain philosophical creed ; we even meet with philosophers bearing atheos as a regular surname. We know very little of the men in question ; but it can hardly be doubted that atheos, as applied to them, implied not only a denial of the gods of popular belief, but a denial of gods in the widest sense of the word, or Atheism as it is nowadays understood.”, Atheism in pagan antiquity by Drachmann, A. B.

Rofl, you're boring me. Now you're just restating what others have said when I don't care about their authority. I don't care at all about personal usage. None of that has anything to do with the word structure. "A-" is a prefix to "theos" no matter how many times you try to deny it. "The" is the shortened form of "theos" used in "theism" and "a-" is the prefix. Look it the fuck up. I'm tired of this coming down to an assertion-fest.

I'll let the others get back to welcoming you now.

Yes, I'm sure it's much easier to just assert that people of a certain time put the word together a certain way, without any evidence to the contrary.

[Jesster]

Nope. You either believe something or you do not. There are two separate claims that you are confusing and you've created a false dichotomy out of them. There is a claim that there is a god. There is another claim that there is not a god.

A theist will believe that there is a god.

An atheist will not accept that belief.

You can also accept or not accept the belief that there is no god. Either one can be an atheist.

I neither accept the belief that there is a god or the claim that there is not a god.

I haven't created a false dichotomy. I presented 3 possible options, when there are 3 possible options. Presenting only 2 options, when there are actually 3 options, is a false dichotomy. 

Objectively, the corner store is either open or closed. I can believe either, or I can have no idea, and have no belief, either way. 

Objectively, I'm either drinking a Coke, or I'm not. You can believe either, or, since you have no clue, you can have no belief, either way. 

There are no rules on questions and at what point to label. You're just choosing to only offer two options, before labelling.

Ok, last post to clear up what I meant. Then all you get from me is eye rolls as I lose interest.

Believing X to be true and not accepting the belief that X is true (disbelief) are opposite ends of one scale. You are one or the other. This is like theism vs atheism.

Believing X to be false and not accepting the belief that X is false (disbelief) are opposite ends on an entirely different scale. You are one or the other.This an entirely different question.

Disbelief = having no belief

That prefix is Latin, by the way

Yes, I'm sure it's much easier to just assert that people of a certain time put the word together a certain way, without any evidence to the contrary.

[TheHuxleyAgnostic]

For any claim: X, you can believe X is true, believe X is false, or have no belief either way. 

Person A: belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person B: no belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person C: no belief X is true, belief X is false

I'm missing the context here, but if one believes X to be true, then by extension, they must believe X is not false.

Yes, that's what "true" means ... "not false". 

A: belief P, no belief ~P
B: no belief P, no belief ~P
C: no belief P, belief ~P

[GrandizerII]

I'm missing the context here, but if one believes X to be true, then by extension, they must believe X is not false.

Yes, that's what "true" means ... "not false". 

A: belief P, no belief ~P
B: no belief P, no belief ~P
C: no belief P, belief ~P

Person A and Person C make no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the notations.

[TheHuxleyAgnostic]

I haven't created a false dichotomy. I presented 3 possible options, when there are 3 possible options. Presenting only 2 options, when there are actually 3 options, is a false dichotomy. 

Objectively, the corner store is either open or closed. I can believe either, or I can have no idea, and have no belief, either way. 

Objectively, I'm either drinking a Coke, or I'm not. You can believe either, or, since you have no clue, you can have no belief, either way. 

There are no rules on questions and at what point to label. You're just choosing to only offer two options, before labelling.

Ok, last post to clear up what I meant. Then all you get from me is eye rolls as I lose interest.

Believing X to be true and not accepting the belief that X is true (disbelief) are opposite ends of one scale. You are one or the other. This is like theism vs atheism.

Believing X to be false and not believing the belief that X is false (disbelief) are opposite ends on an entirely different scale. You are one or the other.This an entirely different question.

Disbelief = having no belief

Yes, I'm sure it's much easier to just assert that people of a certain time put the word together a certain way, without any evidence to the contrary.

It's not an entirely different question. Objectively, the answer is P or ~P, existence or non-existence, open or closed, true or false, odd or even, ... 

You're just dictating things the way you want, to get the result you want. Do gods exist? What are your beliefs regarding gods? Those questions allow multiple answers. I could present it as a multiple choice, like a survey. I could chose to ask two questions, before labelling. You're just pretending there's only one question and one way to label people. 

Like I said, do whatever you like, I'm just not a fan. I'm not sure if you're trying to persuade me into being a fan, but it's not working. I still think it's illogical to pretend B and C are the same thing, based on a single question, when B also shares a commonality with A. I still think only presenting a single question, with only 2 options is a false dichotomy. I still think you have no real idea about the history of the words. I still think the other way is more popular, and common usage does mean something with words.

[Jesster]

Lol no. While the reality is either X or not X, the question is about belief instead of what the definitive reality is. Two entirely different questions there.

I really don't care about persuading "random internet person"

[TheHuxleyAgnostic]

Yes, that's what "true" means ... "not false". 

A: belief P, no belief ~P
B: no belief P, no belief ~P
C: no belief P, belief ~P

Person A and Person C make no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the notations.

Must be misunderstanding. 

X = gods exist

A: has a belief "gods exist", has no belief "gods do not exist"
B: has no belief "gods exist", has no belief "gods do not exist"
C: has no belief "gods exist", has a belief "gods do not exist"

b:g|~b:~g
~b:g|~b:~g
~b:g|b:~g

Ummm... 

If you believe the store is open, you're not believing the store is closed.
If you have no clue if the store is open, or closed, then you have no belief, either way.
If you believe the store is closed, you're not believing the store is open.

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Lol no. While the reality is either X or not X, the question is about belief instead of what the definitive reality is. Two entirely different questions there.

I really don't care about persuading "random internet person"

You can keep asserting "the question is", but it won't change the fact that you're just arbitrarily choosing to do things that way.

If you don't care about persuading, then why didn't you just leave it at me not being a fan?