Who is to blame.

[vorlon13]

MSM has a business plan of supplying viewers/readers with what they want now, not reality.

[Neo-Scholastic]

No, I think it's fair game to ask why this or that person or group of persons supports this or that candidate. Doesn't mean that association will decide my vote, but it may inform it if there's relevance to my concerns.

You mean like these guys? I don't believe for a a minute that they in any way reflected on who Obama was or would be. Should I have?

[vorlon13]

For those of us wondering what turned 10,000,000 democrat voters into acolytes of David Duke, it's something to think about.

[Catholic_Lady]

If some douchebag wants to punch me in the face because i was under no delusion that Clinton was anything but a shit sandwich, I'm fine with that, too.

Well said, my friend.

[Faith No More]

In the article that Min linked, the author is saying that if you can live with President Trump as the price of passing on Hillary, then he has no issue with it.  His anger was directed at those who either did not vote, or voted third-party and are now suffering from buyer's remorse.  His specific example was of a guy who expressed outrage that Trump had won --and told the writer that he needed to "get back to work," presumably to mitigate the damage of a Trump presidency-- and then admitted that he had voted for Jill Stein.

I do think that a lot of people who either stayed home or voted third-party did so because they thought Clinton would win and they could then spend the next four/eight years smugly chiding their fellow liberals that they "didn't vote for her."  But Trump won and now they're panicking and relying on those time-tested tactics of sobbing on Youtube and hashtagging their grief, neither being a viable substitute for actually getting out and voting for the outcome you either want or prefer.

Fair enough.

I see it as an opportunity. It's an opportunity to shine a light on the dark undercurrent of hatred and bigotry in this country that can no longer hide in the shadows. It's an opportunity to point out the "moral majority" is anything but. It's an opportunity to point out what kind of horrors conservatives will hitch their wagons to.

If the Dems play their cards right, they'll be the winners in this whole thing eventually. I'm not holding my breath on that, though.

[Catholic_Lady]

That's not what the slanderers are doing. They are saying that all voters for one candidate must always share the same values and reasons for supporting that candidate.

I'm on the record in this forum as stating that not all, or even a majority, of Trump voters are necessarily bigots.

Having said that, it is entirely fair to ask why those who are bigots support the man, and to take that into account.

I'm glad you're not one of the people who claim that all Trump voters are racist bigots.   

The best way to find out why a particular person voted for Trump is to ask them personally. Obviously we can't do that with the KKK since I highly doubt any of us have ever even come into contact with any of them. But my guess is the kkk liked Trump because of the racist and politically incorrect things he said about some minority groups. We know what the KKK is and what they're about and what they stand for, so even though I hate assuming things about people, I think in this case it's pretty fair.  

...But that doesn't mean that other people who voted for Trump did so for the same reasons. Having talked with and knowing many people who voted for Trump, I can say that the rude comments he made were actually a reason why these people did not like Trump. NOT the reason why they voted for him. It's important not to put everyone into a box, and to give them a chance to explain themselves. Charity is about giving people the benefit of the doubt. Especially those you know and love and whom you know are decent people.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The best way to find out why a particular person voted for Trump is to ask them personally.

I would never have thought of that! Thanks.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No, I think it's fair game to ask why this or that person or group of persons supports this or that candidate. Doesn't mean that association will decide my vote, but it may inform it if there's relevance to my concerns.

You mean like these guys? I don't believe for a a minute that they in any way reflected on who Obama was or would be. Should I have?

Did you not ask yourself what their motives were? Did you not ask yourself why they cottoned to Obama rather than that Mormon fuck? I did. I reckoned they did so for reasons of race, too.

[Catholic_Lady]

The best way to find out why a particular person voted for Trump is to ask them personally.

I would never have thought of that! Thanks.

Hey, with all the mind reading and accusations being thrown around here by some folks (not you) in regards to Trump voters, you just never know. 

[vorlon13]

Umm . . .

I'm more interested in the 10,000,000 who had voted for Obama but did not vote for Hillary.


The consensus I'm seeing everywhere is that all the long term Trump supporters are mindless NAZI racist slavering conservative hate ghouls.

Those 10,000,000 on the other hand are, as recent converts, just mindless NAZI racist slavering conservative hate ghoul wannabes. It might yet be possible to redeem their souls if we just knew more about what they find either so appealing about the David Duke KKK crap, or what is so absolutely repellent about Obamaism.

I want to understand.