Trump won the white working-man vote..

[Napoléon]

You're wasting your time with these dumb shits, Nap. They're still in shock and denial that Hillary lost and Trump won. They're obsessed with race. Their fall back response to nearly every argument they're losing is the same tired and worn out recycled bull shit, "You're a racist", "He's a racist", "She's a racist", "They're racists", ...and of course, "bigots" and "nazis" are a couple of their favorite canned responses too.

Argument: Hillary and the dems lost one of their most loyal and largest of voting bases, the white blue collar working class. These were areas where the coal mines have been closed and jobs were lost. These were areas where manufacturing was shut down and more jobs were lost. These were voters in areas that hadn't voted for a Republican president in 30 years. These were the same voters who helped elect both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to two terms as president. These were the same voters that Hillary and the dems took for granted and alienated. Trump went to those voters and told them that he was going to bring their jobs back, that he was going to reopen the mines and bring back manufacturing.

Their Resonse: "They're racists".

If these dumb shits think they can continue playing the race card and alienate their once largest and loyal voting base and win elections, let 'em go for it. They'll give Trump another term as president in 2020.

NO Trump DID NOT WIN, learn the difference between law and popular vote. Hillary got the popular vote. There is no mandate here. This was a fumble for dems not a win for asshole bigots. 

HEY FUCKFACE, Your friends at fucks news claim the Hamilton actor was race baiting. BUT the problem with that fuckface, is that LGBT is not a skin color. FUCK YOU.

Let me clue in dumbass, this demagoguery on the part of the right has been going on since Reagan, nice scam they have going. Reagan attached himself to the right and the rich and successfully painted the left as anti private sector, at first it was cold war garbage, but over time they pointed the demagoguery at minorities. 

This is all designed by the right to divide poor and middle class blacks and whites to get fuckfaces like you to ignore that the top does not give one fuck about your ability to pay your bills.

I am 50 years old. I am old enough to see and remember Reagan busting the collective bargaining power of unions. UNIONS, the entities that defended and built the middle class after WW2.

Now watch, this is what is going to happen. There will be a marginal worker pay increase, and Trump like Bush will send everyone a bribe rebate. But the wage increase and the bribe will only give the public a short term sense of security. Long term Trump, "The Democratic People's Republic of ASSHOLE BIGOTS" is simply setting us up for another economic bubble. That is very clear, or should be clear considering he is filling his cabinet with Bush's assholes. Is that what you want? Is that "draining the swamp"? 

Now if you think it is all in their heads, go talk to LGBT, shut your fucking mouth and listen. If you cannot do that, then you are nothing but another sucker Trump has conned.

Is there a condensed version of this without the vitriol?

[Excited Penguin]

I live with my mom atm. I plan to move out. But that's what family is for, lol. I don't see a big deal about it.

I hate the "you live in your parent's basement" slur. Unfortunately I do see that from BOTH the left and right and theist and atheist, economic liberal and economic conservative. 

Nobody should give one flying fuck who pays the bills if they are not living under that roof. Yes, that IS exactly what family is for. And as long as you are not draining anyone, and they can afford it, it is between you and them.

I could just as easily go live with a significant number of my extended family. And they will be able to do the same if I can afford it. 

It just doesn't register with me how this is a bad thing , lol.

[Napoléon]

I think you guys are giving way more of a shit about that insult than you should be. Priorities and all that.

[Brian37]

I lived with my parents until I got married, at 24. It's taboo in American culture, which I find ridiculous. But in Brazil, where we are originally from, it is extremely common to live with your parents if you are unmarried, regardless of how old you are.

I hope my son's not reading this.

Uggggg, on the surface it sounds nice, family supporting family, but again, this "support" is rooted in religious sexism. I wonder on average, if males whom are unmarried have that same advantage? Maybe not so much now, but in America it has had a long history of not batting an eye at girls or wives being financially supported, but men, are expected when they hit 18 to hit the bricks and move out.

CJ should not, or anyone reading this, should not claim I am singling anyone out. Conservative sexism exists in every religion to some degree worldwide. Even in China, which is falsely assumed to be religion free. China is mostly Buddhist and a mix of Asian religions, but also have Muslims and Christians. They also have conservatives whom place the family honor on the female and victim blame too. India also. 

The family support I am absolutely fine with, I simply question if it is a neutral attitude or a gender role issue.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, I'm sure that a person can feel that way....but casting their vote is what gave him the ability to take his racist ideology to the white house.

Again, just entirely ignoring the fact that many don't interpret his campaign as racist. Again, a false dilemma. Just you saying it's so, don't make it so. Your whole point hinges on it being absolutely concrete that Trump and his campaign and his policies are explicitly racist. I think you're sipping the left wing kool aid if you think that's anywhere near a certainty.

The "I can't be racist if I don't think it's racist" defense of racism.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What do you think? You've read enough of my posts by now to form your own judgement ... one should hope.

Doesn't that make you a bigot, though ?

Uh, no. Nice stretch, though. Perhaps you should reread the post I referenced so you can understand my point ... because right now you clearly don't.

Or maybe you do understand my point and are pretending otherwise in an attempt to rile me, per your usual MO.

At any rate, we'll resume this conversation when your brain resumes useful operations.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Your whole point hinges on it being absolutely concrete that Trump and his campaign and his policies are explicitly racist.

You clearly weren't paying attention to his campaign, then. Did you not hear his comments about Mexicans and rapists? He only backpedaled from that after he got called out on it ... which was his standard MO anyway. Those of his followers who were bigots loved him for saying that, and forgave him his "clarifying" because they knew his racism was unpalatable to the broader masses of voters.

At least, they thought it was. Turns out it was quite palatable.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I know you weren't talking to me, but are you referring to the "alt-right" Twitter accounts that Trump retweeted? It is possible that he just retweeted them without checking the profiles.

Well, that makes everything okay. Seriously, what you're saying is, it's great that he shares these opinions of bigots, but he should look for cleaner sources next time. I'm responsible for everything I post, here and elsewhere, and if I quote someone, I'm responsible for that, too. It's called being an adult.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hitler loved animals. I guess everyone who loves animals is a nazi.

Oh wait, no, that's not how it works is it?

Inapt analogy.

Think it through and repost something better. Here, I've got an example for you: Hitler quoted Julius Streicher. That made him a NaZi.

Trust me, it's really not that hard ... once you get used to it.

[Napoléon]

You clearly weren't paying attention to his campaign, then. Did you not hear his comments about Mexicans and rapists?

Y'see, this is where I'd argue it is in fact you who did not pay attention to his campaign. Or at least you just listen to the media's spin.

I did hear it and his point was the same as what the Leave campaign said about Syrians pouring into Europe by the boatload. It's a point about border control. Unless you want to say to me he said all Mexicans are rapists then you don't have a leg to stand on.