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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:07 pm
(December 14, 2016 at 1:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (December 13, 2016 at 11:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I went to the website. Did not read the articles in question, but I clicked on the link 'What Is Intelligent Design?' I got as far as, ' intelligent design is a scientific research program...' Then I threw up on my phone.
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Of course.... I wouldn't expect the anti-intelligence crowd to read the article or respond to the points made. This was posted for others 
What would be the purpose in responding to points made by people who insist that intelligent design is scientific? ID is neither testable falsifiable nor predictive. It is not a scientific stance, but a philosophical one. Credibility nil.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Awww I feel bad that it was a baby who died lol.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:27 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 12:42 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (December 14, 2016 at 10:59 am)Faith No More Wrote: Just for once I'd like to see one of these evolution deniers to put their money where their mouth is. Science is essentially a process, and they're cherry picking a few conclusions they don't like while reaping the benefits of 99.9% of the rest. You don't like that science says humans descended from apes? Fine. No one is saying you have to accept it. But stop pretending like you're not a total hypocrite for using modern amenities like computers, cellphones, prescription drugs et al.
If you don't want to accept evolution, the age of the earth or climate change, you should be living a life just like people did in the 1500's.
I don't understand where this comes from. I agree that Science is about method; it is not an entity. I don't think that I said anything to be construed as being against science; if I did, then please point it out, perhaps I can clarify a misunderstanding. I just posted some articles which gave more information.
I think that this is based more on an unjustified and incorrect assumption.
So let me get this straight. You are applying for the role of "part-time idiot?"
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December 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Isn't intelligent design the same thing as evolution anyway? Just a different way to say it?
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:36 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Isn't intelligent design the same thing as evolution anyway? Just a different way to say it?
No. No no no no no no no no no.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Isn't intelligent design the same thing as evolution anyway? Just a different way to say it?
Not at all. ID is the claim that mankind was designed and created as he is now, in his current form. Species change, but there is some sort of cap on the change in that there is no speciation. Not mechanism is suggested as a method of capping these changes so as not to allow for speciation.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 1:58 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 1:38 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (December 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Isn't intelligent design the same thing as evolution anyway? Just a different way to say it?
Not at all. ID is the claim that mankind was designed and created as he is now, in his current form. Species change, but there is some sort of cap on the change in that there is no speciation. Not mechanism is suggested as a method of capping these changes so as not to allow for speciation. .
Ah, I see. Thanks!
I thought maybe ID meant that someone accepts evolution completely, but still believes that God was behind it all and set everything into motion to begin with.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 2:03 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 15, 2016 at 1:38 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Not at all. ID is the claim that mankind was designed and created as he is now, in his current form. Species change, but there is some sort of cap on the change in that there is no speciation. Not mechanism is suggested as a method of capping these changes so as not to allow for speciation. .
Ah, I see. Thanks!
I thought maybe ID meant that someone accepts evolution completely, but still believes that God was behind it all and set everything into motion to begin with.
Nah, "Intelligent Design" is just the smuggle-through-customs buzzword that people use for creationism to try to have it taught in school science classes, since it sounds more science-y.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 2:06 pm
(December 15, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I thought maybe ID meant that someone accepts evolution completely, but still believes that God was behind it all and set everything into motion to begin with.
That would be one way to define it, to indicate that there was an intelligence guiding the development of life. In the practical sense, the term is used as an alternative to "creation" because 'creationism' has become a pejorative term in certain contexts, as it is seen as promoting magic or mysticism instead of science. Hence the first attempt at redefining it was to call it 'creation science' but that fell flat. Intelligent design is a bit more ambiguous, which is why I think it's remained in use this long.
However, evolution does not seem to work as if it is guided intelligently. It's an inefficient process that leads to lots and lots of dead ends and extinct species. But it does a decent job of recovering from events that wipe out large numbers of species at once.
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RE: Dinosaur tail found preserved in amber!
December 15, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Quote:Intelligent design has been widely criticised for its failure to state what mechanism drives it, its lack of falsifiability, and many other problems that leave it lacking as a scientific theory. Where it has faced the scrutiny of the law, the US court system (apparently the only one to have considered the question) have appeared to consider it a form of old Earth creationism, making its teaching in public schools constitutionally impermissible under the Supreme Court's holding in Edwards v. Aguillard.
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