Do Christians really contribut to society more than atheists

[Asmodee]

[AceBoogie]

I don't molest children. I don't indoctrinate children into thinking the way I do just because I'm right. I don't condemn people of different faiths than I to eternal hellfire and torture. I am not bigoted against homosexuals or transgender people and I am certainly not racist or hateful in any way. I do not believe in beating kids to teach them a lesson. I do not believe in stoning people to death for some minor crime like adultery. I do not think a woman should be forced to have a baby that was given to her by her rapist. I do not believe that I can tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. I do not blindly support the death penalty. I do not believe there is a man talking to me from the sky.

How about you, christians?

[robvalue]

I always find the charity aspect a dodge. I'd rather directly support a charity than have just some of my money end up there, while the rest goes to god's overheads. It's like when zoos do a bit of (legally required) conservation work to make out that they're working in the interest of animals rather than exploiting them.

I don't judge anyone in advance by their religion, or lack of. They might do great things for society, or they might be a shit. I don't think general statements are worth much.

[Edwardo Piet]

No I am sure Christians don't contribute to society more than atheists.

[Asmodee]

I think it greatly depends on your notion of what is and is not "contributing to society".  To me, the ACLU "contributes to society" a shitload by standing up for people's rights regardless the issue.  The FFRF contributes to society's rights to not be religious.  The Church of Satan is even contributing to society by attempting to finally settle the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn issue once and for all.  I see these as contributions to society.  Defending the weak, standing up for the rights of the minority, ending the bickering, these are all good things.  I would doubt most Christians see it the same way, though.  As far as I know, even just most conservatives seem to hate the ACLU, but maybe that's just the religious conservatives I knew.

Catholics love to count Catholic hospitals as a contribution to society.  It's their go-to thing.  But in reality if you look it up you'll find story after story where they not only refused care, but didn't even give a patient the information.  In one such story a mother comes into the ER miscarrying and they send her home, even though the baby WILL die and there's a good chance it will kill her too.  Her life is less important to them than their dogma.  Not only do they not perform an abortion on a baby which will already die, they don't even tell her it's an option that someone else can do, or how much more dangerous it is for her to just go home when they discharge her.  They withhold important medical information from her because they don't like what that information says they should do, even though her life literally depends on it.  If a non-Catholic hospital did that there would be a malpractice suit and they WOULD lose.  But since it's a Catholic hospital they're entitled to certain malpractice which they will do, over and over, on purpose.  That is BULLSHIT!  That is not a contribution to society.  It is an attempt to take over.  It is selfish and self-serving.  It is for the church, not the people.

[Minimalist]

Catholic hospitals should be shut down.  They can keep the names if they like; St Fucktard of Bacteria's Hospital for example but doctors should be in charge not some fuckhead wearing a cross.

[Fake Messiah]

[theproofisaroundyou]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If every Christian and every atheist were to make one contributory act to society (however we define it) every year, Christians would come out ahead by dint of sheer numbers. 

Boru

[Pat Mustard]

I'd consider a new member necroing an 18 month dead thread for no good reason very suspicious behaviour. And then I looked at the poster's name. Troll alert.