nothing, nothing, nothing...big bang?

[The Omnissiunt One]

Sorry, my bad, i get what you are saying. although, just a question, dont bite my head off lol, have you actually ever read a bible? like theres a lot of good stuff in there...give it a read, go on...whats the harm?...it has a lot of good lessons for life in general, even if you dont believe there is a God.

I've read bits. Here's a personal favourite: 'If a slave owner takes a stick and beats his slave... and the slave dies on the spot, the owner is to be punished. But if the slave does not die for a day or two, the master is not to be punished. The loss of his property is punishment enough.' (Exodus 21:21)

The Bible has good bits (most of Jesus' teachings) and bad bits (see above). So, I'd rather rely on reason and compassion than that distinctly dodgy guide.

[Tiberius]

i know its real, but at the same time, i dont want to ram what i believe in down your throats. just want to get yous thinking. but you clearly arent if you just throw back at me "no evidence"

How are we clearly not thinking if we say there is no evidence? You asked us our opinion...our opinion is that there is no evidence. Don't start accusing us of not thinking when we've answered your question. Learn some manners; when someone answers your question, respond to their answer; don't start asserting they aren't thinking unless you have actual proof they aren't. Either way, you have to respond.

adrian...read what you said...so you believe that there was always something...we are on the same wavelength lol.

No, you believe there was "someone" who we have no real evidence for. I believe the universe has always existed in some state, and since we can observe that the universe exists, and all our observations point to it existing in some sort of state, I have the evidence to back up my assertion. Your move. Evidence that your God exists / started the universe? (and by evidence, I don't necessarily mean "scientific evidence")

also...what you said about creation of life, ok...did you get all that from wiki?

No. My knowledge on such matters extends beyond Wikipedia. :rollseyes:

lol, its not far away from spontaneous generation, and that was disproved a long time ago.

Erm...I don't even know where to start on that one. Dude, go and read up on abiogenesis. It's nothing like spontaneous generation. There is nothing spontaneous about it (the lightning + primordial soup should have been the clue to that).

[norbrook]

I've read bits. Here's a personal favourite: 'If a slave owner takes a stick and beats his slave... and the slave dies on the spot, the owner is to be punished. But if the slave does not die for a day or two, the master is not to be punished. The loss of his property is punishment enough.' (Exodus 21:21)

The Bible has good bits (most of Jesus' teachings) and bad bits (see above). So, I'd rather rely on reason and compassion than that distinctly dodgy guide.


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yep, again, totally get what you are saying, bad bits?...hmmmm, well i wouldn't call them that, but that was the old testament you were quoting from... the old laws, Jesus came and tore the whole thing up, showed us how to live, im a Christian, meaning i follow Christ and his teachings. dodgy guide though? its obviously going to be it you quote things out of context

[Skipper]

Sorry, my bad, i get what you are saying. although, just a question, dont bite my head off lol, have you actually ever read a bible? like theres a lot of good stuff in there...give it a read, go on...whats the harm?...it has a lot of good lessons for life in general, even if you dont believe there is a God.

I've read bits. Here's a personal favourite: 'If a slave owner takes a stick and beats his slave... and the slave dies on the spot, the owner is to be punished. But if the slave does not die for a day or two, the master is not to be punished. The loss of his property is punishment enough.' (Exodus 21:21)

The Bible has good bits (most of Jesus' teachings) and bad bits (see above). So, I'd rather rely on reason and compassion than that distinctly dodgy guide.

For heavens sake don't read it literally! Read it in the context of it's time! Except the good bits of course! Read them literally! And the bits the prove gods existence! Read them literally as well!!!

[darkwolf176]

Sorry, my bad, i get what you are saying. although, just a question, dont bite my head off lol, have you actually ever read a bible? like theres a lot of good stuff in there...give it a read, go on...whats the harm?...it has a lot of good lessons for life in general, even if you dont believe there is a God.

Some of my personal favourites:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Yeah great lessons for life!

[norbrook]

i know its real, but at the same time, i dont want to ram what i believe in down your throats. just want to get yous thinking. but you clearly arent if you just throw back at me "no evidence"

How are we clearly not thinking if we say there is no evidence? You asked us our opinion...our opinion is that there is no evidence. Don't start accusing us of not thinking when we've answered your question. Learn some manners; when someone answers your question, respond to their answer; don't start asserting they aren't thinking unless you have actual proof they aren't. Either way, you have to respond.

adrian...read what you said...so you believe that there was always something...we are on the same wavelength lol.

No, you believe there was "someone" who we have no real evidence for. I believe the universe has always existed in some state, and since we can observe that the universe exists, and all our observations point to it existing in some sort of state, I have the evidence to back up my assertion. Your move. Evidence that your God exists / started the universe? (and by evidence, I don't necessarily mean "scientific evidence")

also...what you said about creation of life, ok...did you get all that from wiki?

No. My knowledge on such matters extends beyond Wikipedia. :rollseyes:

lol, its not far away from spontaneous generation, and that was disproved a long time ago.

Erm...I don't even know where to start on that one. Dude, go and read up on abiogenesis. It's nothing like spontaneous generation. There is nothing spontaneous about it (the lightning + primordial soup should have been the clue to that).

ahhh adrian, dont even know were to begin...firstly, im sorry if i came across as rude there
i have read up on abiogenesis, but im unconvinced...im sorry buts thats my opinion.
wiki comment, was just joking, again sorry.
no evidence comment...just seemed like a lame answer to me thats all.

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Sorry, my bad, i get what you are saying. although, just a question, dont bite my head off lol, have you actually ever read a bible? like theres a lot of good stuff in there...give it a read, go on...whats the harm?...it has a lot of good lessons for life in general, even if you dont believe there is a God.

Some of my personal favourites:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Yeah great lessons for life!

old testament man...old testament...read what Jesus taught

[The Omnissiunt One]

yep, again, totally get what you are saying, bad bits?...hmmmm, well i wouldn't call them that, but that was the old testament you were quoting from... the old laws, Jesus came and tore the whole thing up, showed us how to live, im a Christian, meaning i follow Christ and his teachings. dodgy guide though? its obviously going to be it you quote things out of context

In what context is that an acceptable teaching? Please enlighten me. Also, even if Jesus did abolish the law, that still means that that was God's word at one point. So, were the OT's teachings not morally right at the time? Or is God just cruel and capricious?

[darkwolf176]

old testament man...old testament...read what Jesus taught

Oh really?

Jesus advocates murder and death:

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations 19:20-21

Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, “lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.” Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12

Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9

(Quoted from evilbible.com)

[Entropist]

Just because nobody can prove if a god does or does not exist, that dosen't mean its 50/50 or that he does exist.

This bears repeating.

Is it possible that the sun will explode tomorrow? Yes. Is it PROBABLE? No.

Is is possible the Christian god exists? Yes. Is it PROBABLE? No.

That is sufficient.

[Tiberius]

i have read up on abiogenesis, but im unconvinced...im sorry buts thats my opinion.

What exactly are you unconvinced by? If I don't know that, how can I explain it in a more convincing way for you?

no evidence comment...just seemed like a lame answer to me thats all.

Yet you don't say why it seems like a lame answer. I happen to think it's a good answer; I don't see any evidence for God existing, therefore I don't believe there is a God. Do you think believing things without evidence is a good thing? If you want to be a rational human being, then your answer must be no. So, either you aren't being rational, or you think there is evidence that God exists. If it is the latter, please present your evidence.