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Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No one is fully formed until after puberty.

So, at puberty you are fully formed and then you stay that way? I wish.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:28 pm by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
Right. I'm fine if your reasoning for abortions is "because I can" just don't sugarcoat it with 'just a clump of cells' or any other bullshit definition of life or whatever as if it's not a big deal and downplay it. Own the damn thing.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:28 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No one is fully formed until after puberty.

So, at puberty you are fully formed and then you stay that way? I wish.

No. Right after you are done being fully formed, your body starts to deteriorate. You literally start "aging" right after you're done growing/through with puberty. There is no plateau in the lifespan of a human.
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Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:28 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:29 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(January 21, 2017 at 11:12 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Don't be silly.


Is she saying kids should be abortable up until puberty then?  Maybe I have to go back and read the earlier posts.  Otherwise she may have become even more pro-choice than me.

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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:28 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 10:39 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The whole "clump of cells" and "potential life" arguments never convince me either. Those cells have distinct human DNA, and are very much alive.

Yep. For liking science so much, science seems to fly out the window when abortion is the topic.

and for so many on the religious side, Bible truth goes flying out the window too
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:29 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm)pool the great Wrote: Right. I'm fine if your reasoning for abortions is "because I can" just don't sugarcoat it with 'just a clump of cells' or any other bullshit definition of life or whatever as if it's not a big deal and downplay it. Own the damn thing.

"Because I can" wasn't my point. Thanks for the straw, though.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:30 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 11:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 11:17 pm)Orochi Wrote: Indeed as I said those aren't formations those are modification to what already there

You may be surprised to know that pretty much everything is "already there" by the first trimester. It's just a matter of all those things continuing to grow and mature. Which they keep doing for years.

But not everything

Second It's still formation in the first and modification in puberty

But even if we grant your promise those things are still bodily reliant on the mother to survive thus rendering the argument is secondary really
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 11:12 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Don't be silly.


Is she saying kids should be abortable up until puberty then?  Maybe I have to go back and read the earlier posts.  Otherwise she may have become even more pro-choice than me.

If you use the excuse of "not fully formed" as an ok to kill someone, then that is what it would mean. That's why that argument falls apart.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:32 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:33 pm by Amarok.)
(January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm)pool the great Wrote: Right. I'm fine if your reasoning for abortions is "because I can" just don't sugarcoat it with 'just a clump of cells' or any other bullshit definition of life or whatever as if it's not a big deal and downplay it. Own the damn thing.

Nope it is a big deal i state it's a clump of cells because it is
(January 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 11:12 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Is she saying kids should be abortable up until puberty then?  Maybe I have to go back and read the earlier posts.  Otherwise she may have become even more pro-choice than me.

If you use the excuse of "not fully formed" as an ok to kill someone, then that is what it would mean. That's why that argument falls apart.

No it would i have stated the diffrence
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:33 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:37 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(January 21, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Orochi Wrote:
(January 21, 2017 at 11:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You may be surprised to know that pretty much everything is "already there" by the first trimester. It's just a matter of all those things continuing to grow and mature. Which they keep doing for years.

But not everything

What isn't already there?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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