Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[Cyberman]

Gee, I didn't know that these people.........have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell me.....

If I didn't know you are an egregious little troll, I'd say that's why you fail. But I'm not going to waste the energy.

Stim you are my savior.  
Please Stim tell me about the agenda.  
Don't let LR die in agony waiting for your answer.  

Save you? Rik, you are such a slimy condescending bastard that I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

I'd call you a cunt, but you don't have the depth and warmth.

[Angrboda]

Oh, by the way can you explain me what is the difference between an hallucination and an NDE?  

This is just another one of your moronic setups so that you can blab and blab and blab.   Not falling for it.

Evidence or GTFO.

[Pat Mustard]

It seems that you like and enjoy floating in the mental sewer.        

I suggest you to come in some of the hospital places where I have been working for the last 27 years to see for yourself how the system works.
When people die usually the body rot very fast but these days as soon as people die they are injected with
a liquid that slow down the decay so even after few days the body look like it just died.
What this means in our discussion?
It means that everything in the body (brain included) keep on being active even if the chap is 100% dead.
The process of decay is such that millions of bacteria are on the move.
This activity trick those idiot researchers into believe that the brain is still active.
Surely is active but not in the way that they think.
Nothing therefore to do with a brain able to experience an NDE.  

What the hell are you talking about lil rik. You are not the only healthcare worker ln this forum. Bacterial decay trkcks who into thinking there is brain activity?

When rik says he's a medical professional, he means he's permanently committed to a mental hospital.

[Little Rik]

Oh, by the way can you explain me what is the difference between an hallucination and an NDE?  

This is just another one of your moronic setups so that you can blab and blab and blab.   Not falling for it.

Evidence or GTFO.

You are an absolute joke yog.
You ask me for evidence but when I do ask you the same you twist the game to a different direction.
I did asked you what is the difference between an NDE and an hallucination. NO ANSWER.
I did asked you to give evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain. NO ANSWER
I did asked you to give evidence that physical science is able to understand consciousness. NO ANSWER
I did asked you to give evidence that a brain under stress can put together an NDE. NO answer.

You don't fool me yog.
All you can fool are those fools that think that you are smart by producing piles and piles of informations
put together by some mental masturbators that fool themselves thinking that they can understand consciousness using physical science knowledge.

Get real woman.      

You only fool yourself.  

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Gee, I didn't know that these people.........have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell me.....

If I didn't know you are an egregious little troll, I'd say that's why you fail. But I'm not going to waste the energy.

Stim you are my savior.  
Please Stim tell me about the agenda.  
Don't let LR die in agony waiting for your answer.  

Save you? Rik, you are such a slimy condescending bastard that I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

I'd call you a cunt, but you don't have the depth and warmth.

How sad Stim to see that your agenda vanish into nothingness.  

[Cyberman]

How predictable Prik to see your head vanish up your arsehole.

(Hint: I don't have an agenda.)

[Angrboda]

This is just another one of your moronic setups so that you can blab and blab and blab.   Not falling for it.

Evidence or GTFO.

You are an absolute joke yog.
You ask me for evidence but when I do ask you the same you twist the game to a different direction.
I did asked you what is the difference between an NDE and an hallucination. NO ANSWER. [here]
I did asked you to give evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain. NO ANSWER [here]
I did asked you to give evidence that physical science is able to understand consciousness. NO ANSWER [never asked]
I did asked you to give evidence that a brain under stress can put together an NDE. NO answer. [never asked; here]

And yet you say that I provided "piles of information". Which is it, Rik, NO ANSWER or "piles of information"? You can't even keep your lies straight.

Not only is this a bunch of distracting bullshit, it's not even true.  I have several times given evidence that consciousness is a product of the brain.  You just suck at listening.  So here we see you lying again.  Like I said, your question was just a pretext for a bullshit answer. And here we see you claiming to have asked questions and got no answer. It's bullshit. You got your answers, you just want to play games about who isn't answering questions.

Well my question has remained the same throughout: Do you have evidence that NDEs occur when the brain is completely shut down? NO ANSWER.

Regardless, you're the one that claims that NDEs are proof of afterlife and I've debunked all your "proof."  That's my answer to your nonsense.

You don't fool me yog.
All you can fool are those fools that think that you are smart by producing piles and piles of informations
put together by some mental masturbators that fool themselves thinking that they can understand consciousness using physical science knowledge.

Piles of information?  It's called "evidence."  I can understand why you're not familiar with the term, seeing that you never provide any.

[robvalue]

Rik seems to think that every thread is a "last person to post wins" type thing. It doesn't matter what you write, as long as you write something.

[Little Rik]

How predictable Prik to see your head vanish up your arsehole.

(Hint: I don't have an agenda.)

Oh, I see......
You don't have an agenda do you?

Well well Stim I already knew that you haven't got an agenda of yours except for having a long long
agenda of offensive language that you use in place of something that make any sense but I guess is far too late for you to change considering that physically speaking you have grown up.
But let us speak about the agenda that I mean.
In a previous post you allege that some people have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell me
so I did asked you to produce evidence that that is the case.


WHERE IS THAT EVIDENCE STIM?  

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You are an absolute joke yog.
You ask me for evidence but when I do ask you the same you twist the game to a different direction.
I did asked you what is the difference between an NDE and an hallucination. NO ANSWER. [here]
I did asked you to give evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain. NO ANSWER [here]
I did asked you to give evidence that physical science is able to understand consciousness. NO ANSWER [never asked]
I did asked you to give evidence that a brain under stress can put together an NDE. NO answer. [never asked; here]

And yet you say that I provided "piles of information".  Which is it, Rik, NO ANSWER or "piles of information"?  You can't even keep your lies straight.

Not only is this a bunch of distracting bullshit, it's not even true.  I have several times given evidence that consciousness is a product of the brain.  You just suck at listening.  So here we see you lying again.  Like I said, your question was just a pretext for a bullshit answer.   And here we see you claiming to have asked questions and got no answer.  It's bullshit.  You got your answers, you just want to play games about who isn't answering questions.

Well my question has remained the same throughout:  Do you have evidence that NDEs occur when the brain is completely shut down?  NO ANSWER.

Regardless, you're the one that claims that NDEs are proof of afterlife and I've debunked all your "proof."  That's my answer to your nonsense.

You don't fool me yog.
All you can fool are those fools that think that you are smart by producing piles and piles of informations
put together by some mental masturbators that fool themselves thinking that they can understand consciousness using physical science knowledge.

Piles of information?  It's called "evidence."  I can understand why you're not familiar with the term, seeing that you never provide any.

One more piles o'crap yog  but let us see in detail.

1) Piles of information do not necessary mean piles of evidence.
In fact your piles of information equal to a pile of manure.

2) It is true that when the brain get damage the mind get affected.
That is natural considering that the two are stuck together but unfortunately you do not consider that there are several level of mind and the outer mind is very different from the subconscious mind.
While the outer mind get affected when the brain get damage the subconscious mind does not.
If the parallelism between body-brain and consciousness come to an end the body die but that is not the case for the subconscious mind that will separate from that dying body.
In other word your so called evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain is just one more pile o'crap.

3) OBE and NDEs have something in common but with a difference.
While many people can have an OBE not everybody will have an NDE.
NDEs are there for a reason which is to learn while OBE are not.
God knows whether a person is ready to accept the learning or not so NDEs will only be given to them.
Many people have OBE experience and never experience God so you may draw conclusions that God doesn't exist and those who say that God exist after their NDE are just talking rubbish.

4) As far as NDEs experiences occur when the brain is 100% off you only have to read the hundreds of experiences from those who had them.
In these cases qualified doctors declared the person dead.
http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html

[Cyberman]

Oh, I see......
You don't have an agenda do you?

No I don't. That you want to act as though I do tells me so much about you and your agenda.

Well well Stim I already knew that you haven't got an agenda of yours

Then why say that I do, you dishonest little prick?

except for having a long long
agenda of offensive language

No, thats merely the abuse that is all the response that you're worth. Besides which, it has been said that there's no such thing as offensive language, only offensive people; and they can be offensive in any language. Take yourself, for example. I find your continued presence here deeply offensive, to the intelligence if nothing else.

that you use in place of something that make any sense

You and "something that make any sense" don't belong to the same universe. You wouldn't recognise sense if it laid an egg in your mouth.

but I guess is far too late for you to change considering that physically speaking you have grown up.

How about your growing up, rikhead? Looking forward to it, are you?

But let us speak about the agenda that I mean.

That agenda you admitted I haven't got?

In a previous post you allege that some people have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell me
so I did asked you to produce evidence that that is the case.


WHERE IS THAT EVIDENCE STIM?  

(Edited to remove offensive use of colour.)

Well let's see. You've been touting all these anecdotes about near death experiences by the least credible people on the planet, and each and every time someone has dug deeper than you ever thought to and shown you exactly how they are lying to you.

EVIDENCE, RIKHEAD, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

You're not all ears; you're all mouth. And it's incredibly boring.

[Angrboda]

Well my question has remained the same throughout:  Do you have evidence that NDEs occur when the brain is completely shut down?  NO ANSWER.

[Blabber devoid of evidence hidden]

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One more piles o'crap yog  but let us see in detail.

1) Piles of information do not necessary mean piles of evidence.
In fact your piles of information equal to a pile of manure.

2) It is true that when the brain get damage the mind get affected.
That is natural considering that the two are stuck together but unfortunately you do not consider that there are several level of mind and the outer mind is very different from the subconscious mind.
While the outer mind get affected when the brain get damage the subconscious mind does not.
If the parallelism between body-brain and consciousness come to an end the body die but that is not the case for the subconscious mind that will separate from that dying body.
In other word your so called evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain is just one more pile o'crap.

3) OBE and NDEs have something in common but with a difference.
While many people can have an OBE not everybody will have an NDE.
NDEs are there for a reason which is to learn while OBE are not.
God knows whether a person is ready to accept the learning or not so NDEs will only be given to them.
Many people have OBE experience and never experience God so you may draw conclusions that God doesn't exist and those who say that God exist after their NDE are just talking rubbish.

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4) As far as NDEs experiences occur when the brain is 100% off you only have to read the hundreds of experiences from those who had them.
In these cases qualified doctors declared the person dead.
http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html

Pointing to a pile filled with self-submitted reports of "experiences" doesn't demonstrate they had their NDE during the time their brain was supposedly shut down.

Christ, half of them aren't even NDEs.  Nice try.  A lot of bad evidence doesn't magically become good evidence through sheer volume.

Talk about a pile of crap.  A webpile full of anecdotes about "experiences." Anecdotes tell you nothing about the causes of the experience.