Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[Cyberman]

You're like a fucking broken record. You never learn anything.

Actually he's more like blotting paper. He soaks up everything he comes into contact with, but it all comes out backwards.

[Little Rik]

You don't get it yog, do you?  
Hallucinations are hardly remembered while OBE and NDEs are remembered in a vivid, clear and sharp vision for a lifetime.
Get over with that yog for your own mental stability.  

We've already covered this and you were wrong then and you're still wrong.  G-LOC and ketamine hallucinations can be very real.  You're like a fucking broken record.  You never learn anything.

Hallucinations real?
For Christ's sake Yog.
If an hallucination would be something real they wouldn't call it hallucination but something else.  

Hallucinations occur in a brain with a consciousness in it.
NDEs on the other hand occur outside the brain in the consciousness that has separate from the body-brain.  

So what's with OOBEs where they imagine false details like the woman wearing long johns?  You seem to have an aversion to answering this question.

Have you got any evidence that that was an OBE?
You are a fool yog.  
You presume this and that without any evidence that back up your so called evidence.  

It's also worth noting then that Howard Storm and Pam Reynolds then had hallucinations, not NDEs, with all of the features of NDEs, including conversion to theistic belief afterwards.  Thanks for proving my point for me.

FOOL.  

Once again your imagination run wild.  
You reckon that the beliefs that people build over a whole lifetime can be knocked down just because of an hallucinations so strong atheists all of a sudden become spiritual minded people?
That is madness yog.

Yes I do.
You can also have such evidence when you will in the future practice intuitional science.  

So it's just more bullshit.   You don't have evidence.  It's dogma.

Fool.

You guys think that the material-physical science is able to understand was is behind and over the physicality.
By following this logic you will never get over your many mental dogmas.
How sad (for you).

The question is really simple.  If the brain can take you to strange places in dreams, why can't it take you out of your body in an OOBE?  It's the same illusion.

Once again you presume that an OBE is an illusion.
All I can do yog is to leave you with your many fantasies.
Have a lovely day (in the cold ah, ah ah).  

[Angrboda]

We've already covered this and you were wrong then and you're still wrong.  G-LOC and ketamine hallucinations can be very real.  You're like a fucking broken record.  You never learn anything.

Hallucinations real?
For Christ's sake Yog.
If an hallucination would be something real they wouldn't call it hallucination but something else.  

You're still wrong. And yes they do call it hallucination.

Hallucinations occur in a brain with a consciousness in it.
NDEs on the other hand occur outside the brain in the consciousness that has separate from the body-brain.  

So what's with OOBEs where they imagine false details like the woman wearing long johns?  You seem to have an aversion to answering this question.

Have you got any evidence that that was an OBE?
You are a fool yog.  
You presume this and that without any evidence that back up your so called evidence.  

You're a fucking idiot. The woman described it as an OOBE and they are known to occur in sleep paralysis victims. What "evidence" of an OOBE are you talking about? You're just avoiding the question because it has evidence against your beliefs. You coward.

It's also worth noting then that Howard Storm and Pam Reynolds then had hallucinations, not NDEs, with all of the features of NDEs, including conversion to theistic belief afterwards.  Thanks for proving my point for me.

FOOL.  

Once again your imagination run wild.  
You reckon that the beliefs that people build over a whole lifetime can be knocked down just because of an hallucinations so strong atheists all of a sudden become spiritual minded people?
That is madness yog.

I can see you're in full evasion mode. Was it something I said?

Yes I do.
You can also have such evidence when you will in the future practice intuitional science.  

So it's just more bullshit.   You don't have evidence.  It's dogma.

Fool.

You guys think that the material-physical science is able to understand was is behind and over the physicality.
By following this logic you will never get over your many mental dogmas.
How sad (for you).

Got any evidence that there is something "behind and over" the physicality? I didn't think so.

The question is really simple.  If the brain can take you to strange places in dreams, why can't it take you out of your body in an OOBE?  It's the same illusion.

Once again you presume that an OBE is an illusion.
All I can do yog is to leave you with your many fantasies.
Have a lovely day (in the cold ah, ah ah).  

Yet another question you didn't answer. Are my questions too hard for you? Hmmm?

[Little Rik]

Hallucinations real?
For Christ's sake Yog.
If an hallucination would be something real they wouldn't call it hallucination but something else.  

You're still wrong.  And yes they do call it hallucination.

Have you got any evidence that that was an OBE?
You are a fool yog.  
You presume this and that without any evidence that back up your so called evidence.  

You're a fucking idiot.  The woman described it as an OOBE and they are known to occur in sleep paralysis victims.  What "evidence" of an OOBE are you talking about?  You're just avoiding the question because it has evidence against your beliefs.  You coward.

FOOL.  

Once again your imagination run wild.  
You reckon that the beliefs that people build over a whole lifetime can be knocked down just because of an hallucinations so strong atheists all of a sudden become spiritual minded people?
That is madness yog.

I can see you're in full evasion mode.  Was it something I said?

Fool.

You guys think that the material-physical science is able to understand was is behind and over the physicality.
By following this logic you will never get over your many mental dogmas.
How sad (for you).

Got any evidence that there is something "behind and over" the physicality?  I didn't think so.

Once again you presume that an OBE is an illusion.
All I can do yog is to leave you with your many fantasies.
Have a lovely day (in the cold ah, ah ah).  

Yet another question you didn't answer.  Are my questions too hard for you?  Hmmm?

In my post there always are tons of answers.
The problem however is with you that keep the dogmatic blinkers in front of your eyes preventing
thus the truth.
I keep on asking you how it is possible that an NDE can change people beliefs in minutes.
A whole life of atheistic beliefs cast in the rubbish dump all of a sudden in favor of a spiritual life.
WHY yog?
There got to be a very important reason to do that.
Just imagine a person that after 30-40-50 or more years of atheism in few minutes of an NDE
decide to change his-her life.
That can not be an illusion yog.
A lifetime of atheism can not possibly be cast away for an illusion.

You never thought about that yog, did you?      
Now is the time to take your dogmatic blinker off your eyes and think about it seriously.
If not then you will have to wait more and more reincarnation floating in a sea of dogmas
that you created so far.  

[Angrboda]

In my post there always are tons of answers.

Tons of wrong answers.

[Little Rik]

In my post there always are tons of answers.

Tons of wrong answers.

Would you like to set up an independent panel of non theists-non atheists people and see what they think?
Let us ask them if it is possible that a strong atheist can change his mind and become a strong theist after an illusion.
Are you ready to be ridiculed yog?  

[Angrboda]

Tons of wrong answers.

Would you like to set up an independent panel of non theists-non atheists people and see what they think?
Let us ask them if it is possible that a strong atheist can change his mind and become a strong theist after an illusion.
Are you ready to be ridiculed yog?  

More empty rhetoric from you. You're all talk and nothing but talk.

I've brought tons of evidence, and what have you brought? A bunch of smart talk.

The jury is no longer out, fool.

[The Grand Nudger]

Rik, we get it, you think that oobes and ndes are fundamentally different than dreams...and hey, I'm absolutely certain that they are in many ways.  Nevertheless....you're stuck between a rock and a hard place in this.  Even if your claims -are- legitimate, even if we have spirits...we don't need them to explain the experiences you attribute -to- them, unless we also need to propose that my spirit leaves my body and visits mordor when I dream.

This is a profoundly desperate position to be in, when something as fantastic as the actual existence of a soul -still- wouldn't necessitate or even support your claims about ndes and oobes....don't you think?

[Angrboda]

Would you like to set up an independent panel of non theists-non atheists people and see what they think?
Let us ask them if it is possible that a strong atheist can change his mind and become a strong theist after an illusion.
Are you ready to be ridiculed yog?  

Why don't I just show it happening instead of asking a bunch of "non theists-non atheists" yucks their opinions?

Derren Brown performing "instant conversions" to Christianity using non-spiritual methods.

[Little Rik]

Rik, we get it, you think that oobes and ndes are fundamentally different than dreams...and hey, I'm absolutely certain that they are in many ways.  Nevertheless....you're stuck between a rock and a hard place in this.  Even if your claims -are- legitimate, even if we have spirits...we don't need them to explain the experiences you attribute -to- them, unless we also need to propose that my spirit leaves my body and visits mordor when I dream.

This is a profoundly desperate position to be in, when something as fantastic as the actual existence of a soul -still- wouldn't necessitate or even support your claims about ndes and oobes....don't you think?

What is a soul?
The soul is you.
They called it soul in order to describe the real YOU when YOU separate from your body.
There is no such a thing as spirit-s.
There is only you and God.
Once you merge into God then you no longer exist because you are God.
You always were God but you didn't know.
NDEs help you to know who you really are.  

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Would you like to set up an independent panel of non theists-non atheists people and see what they think?
Let us ask them if it is possible that a strong atheist can change his mind and become a strong theist after an illusion.
Are you ready to be ridiculed yog?  

Why don't I just show it happening instead of asking a bunch of "non theists-non atheists" yucks their opinions?

Derren Brown performing "instant conversions" to Christianity using non-spiritual methods.

FOOL.

Psychic powers can also be used to convince people that the devil exist.
Avidya tantrics do something similar in India by using occult powers.

These people achieve these powers and use them to carry forward their own agenda.
That is not the way to go.
Some people with psychic power use them to convince people to give all their money to them.
This is trash yog.  

Nothing to do with God and NDEs.