Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[The Grand Nudger]

If anyone ever needed a reason to believe Rik was a deliberate troll, there you go.

[Little Rik]

There is no such a thing as a physical hell.
How could you feel the fire burning if you don't have a body?
The hell is all about a lack of God.
It is a mental suffering and it is not permanent.
As soon as people wake up and grow up the hell vanish like the clouds vanish as the sun and the winds blow them away.  

So the parts that you don't agree with about his NDE are just illusory, the other parts are real.  Got it.

Fail once again yog.      

Storm had to go trough that MENTAL hell for a reason.
He was an atheist.
Atheism = no God.....
No God  = mental hell.
That is what hell is all about.
It is a lack of God so Storm had to go through that mental hell in order to understand what it means NO GOD.
Once he was shown what it means to be without God Storm could go on and understand how the whole system works.
GOT IT YOG?

[The Grand Nudger]

Mental hell sounds alot like imaginary hell to me. You telling us that storm had an imaginary nde, about his imaginary death, wherein he visited imaginary hell?

[Little Rik]

Mental hell sounds alot like imaginary hell to me.  You telling us that storm had an imaginary nde, about his imaginary death, wherein he visited imaginary hell?

Well, if you like to follow our friend yog in her failing welcome aboard Khem.
But now let me explain why Storn's NDE was real.
Anyone with a duodenal perforation feel the pain of hell and Storm felt the pain of hell.
No doubt about that which is also confirmed by Storm.
All of a sudden the pain is gone without having the surgery yet.
You tell me why Khem?
The only possibility is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and that means an NDE
but if you think that you know how that is possible please tell us why.  

[Angrboda]

Mental hell sounds alot like imaginary hell to me.  You telling us that storm had an imaginary nde, about his imaginary death, wherein he visited imaginary hell?

Well, if you like to follow our friend yog in her failing welcome aboard Khem.
But now let me explain why Storn's NDE was real.
Anyone with a duodenal perforation feel the pain of hell and Storm felt the pain of hell.
No doubt about that which is also confirmed by Storm.
All of a sudden the pain is gone without having the surgery yet.
You tell me why Khem?
The only possibility is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and that means an NDE
but if you think that you know how that is possible please tell us why.  

There are other states of consciousness in which we don't feel pain even though the stimulus is present, dissociated states.  No pain =/= no body.

[Little Rik]

Well, if you like to follow our friend yog in her failing welcome aboard Khem.
But now let me explain why Storn's NDE was real.
Anyone with a duodenal perforation feel the pain of hell and Storm felt the pain of hell.
No doubt about that which is also confirmed by Storm.
All of a sudden the pain is gone without having the surgery yet.
You tell me why Khem?
The only possibility is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and that means an NDE
but if you think that you know how that is possible please tell us why.  

There are other states of consciousness in which we don't feel pain even though the stimulus is present, dissociated states.  No pain =/= no body.

Yeah, of course yog.



How many more rabbits your hat contain yog?

[Whateverist]

More importantly, how many more emoticons does your head contain, Rickety?

[Angrboda]

There are other states of consciousness in which we don't feel pain even though the stimulus is present, dissociated states.  No pain =/= no body.

Yeah, of course yog.

Can your physical science explain why these guys do not feel any pain while inserting knives or other things inside their flesh and can science explain why as soon as they take out these knives the hole close immediately?
You see in what kind of intellectual mess are you!!!
http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com.au/2011/0...urite.html

In accordance with the traditions, many religious devotees will perform ritualized mutilation upon themselves and one another (with the consent of, context and understanding of all involved and the practice itself) while under a trance-like state, including but not limited to: impaling through cheeks, arms, face, legs, back etc., with everything from as small as syringes to as large as is agreed upon between all members; partial skinning (the skin is not removed, just cut and flipped over); slashing of limbs, chest, stomach and especially tongue with swords, axes and knives; bloodletting; removal of tissue (normally limited to cysts) and intentionally wrapping or standing near fire crackers as they are lit.

This is done without anesthetic, always inside or near the temples surrounded by other devotees with only iodine, petroleum jelly and surgical gloves as precautionary measures....

(emphasis mine)

[Little Rik]

Yeah, of course yog.

Can your physical science explain why these guys do not feel any pain while inserting knives or other things inside their flesh and can science explain why as soon as they take out these knives the hole close immediately?
You see in what kind of intellectual mess are you!!!
http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com.au/2011/0...urite.html

In accordance with the traditions, many religious devotees will perform ritualized mutilation upon themselves and one another (with the consent of, context and understanding of all involved and the practice itself) while under a trance-like state, including but not limited to: impaling through cheeks, arms, face, legs, back etc., with everything from as small as syringes to as large as is agreed upon between all members; partial skinning (the skin is not removed, just cut and flipped over); slashing of limbs, chest, stomach and especially tongue with swords, axes and knives; bloodletting; removal of tissue (normally limited to cysts) and intentionally wrapping or standing near fire crackers as they are lit.

This is done without anesthetic, always inside or near the temples surrounded by other devotees with only iodine, petroleum jelly and surgical gloves as precautionary measures....

(emphasis mine)

I knew that you would come up with that.  
Unfortunately you forgot one very important thing yog.
Those examples that you bring up and that I did show you in the past come after a trance state which
again come after a period of fast and meditation which is not what Storm went trough.
Not only that but Storm problem was caused by a diseases which was unavoidable while the self inflicted cuts in your and my examples were fully controlled by the trance states.

Fail again yog.  

[Angrboda]

I knew that you would come up with that.  
Unfortunately you forgot one very important thing yog.
Those examples that you bring up and that I did show you in the past come after a trance state which
again come after a period of fast and meditation which is not what Storm went trough.
Not only that but Storm problem was caused by a diseases which was unavoidable while the self inflicted cuts in your and my examples were fully controlled by the trance states.

Fail again yog.  

Hahaha. First off, you're all "it can't happen." Now you're all "Ya but, ya but." You're such a joke.

I'm not saying Howard Storm did it like the festival participants, only that such states are possible for the mind.

And all you've got in exchange is a litany of excuses.