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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 7, 2017 at 8:56 pm
(February 7, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Crunchy Wrote: While I'm not a fan in general of homeopathy, I would only want the govt to intervene in extreme cases. Other than that, people should be allowed to take stuff that they feel benefit them even if there is no science to back it up. And I'm a science nerd.
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 7, 2017 at 11:26 pm
(February 7, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Alex K Wrote: (February 7, 2017 at 6:01 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: bold mine
Hope they were not to expensive because their effectiveness is highly questionable. (google name and webMD for a start). These fall under CAM (complementary and alternative medicine).
Just because a doctor promotes them does not make the legit.
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If this were my surgeon I'd start looking for another.
Yabut... if I changed doctors every time one sells alternative stuff of questionable effectiveness, I'd be out of doctors to go to in the area in no time.
He didn't sell them. He recommended them to be taken in addition to all the usual drugs you take after surgery. I did some research and a lot of cosmetic surgeons recommend those 2 supplements to help with the healing process after a procedure.
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 12:05 am
(February 7, 2017 at 8:48 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (February 7, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Crunchy Wrote: I think that natural remedies are not studied much or put through expensive studies because they cannot be patented and therefore there is not enough money to be made.
I say this fully knowing that there is allot of charlatanism in this field, however, ask yourself why the pharma industry failed to discover that CBD in cannabis is so effective in treating seizures? If they could have found a treatment that effective that they could patent it, it would have quickly been brought to market.
I'm not even blaming the pharma industry for this. They are there to make a profit and it is not their obligation to study a plant that anyone can grow. (referring here to non illegal plants like ginseng)
So back to Russia. In this case I think that the govt there is probably being paid lots of money by drug companies. While I'm not a fan in general of homeopathy, I would only want the govt to intervene in extreme cases. Other than that, people should be allowed to take stuff that they feel benefit them even if there is no science to back it up. And I'm a science nerd.
Ridiculous.
Do you know how many pharmaceuticals come from investigation of natural occurring chemicals? Examples: digoxin, vinca alkaloids, ACE inhibitors, antibiotics. The list goes on.
Hard to do studies when the DEA jumps the gun makes the plant a schedule one (no medicinal value). That stopped any studies in it's tracks.
And your last paragraph. Didn't Canada have a death when parents treated a sick child with maple syrup? And what of Laetrile?
Quack medicine can kill at worst, at best do nothing (but then lead to morbidity/mortality from doing nothing). And most often drain your finances.
Yup I remember the maple syrup story it was and still is a controversy
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 5:03 am
(February 7, 2017 at 11:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (February 7, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Alex K Wrote: Yabut... if I changed doctors every time one sells alternative stuff of questionable effectiveness, I'd be out of doctors to go to in the area in no time.
He didn't sell them. He recommended them to be taken in addition to all the usual drugs you take after surgery. I did some research and a lot of cosmetic surgeons recommend those 2 supplements to help with the healing process after a procedure.
That's your problem right there. You listened to a lot of people who solely perform elective surgeries, the vast majority of which have no medicinal value and which are actually harmful.
You listened to not one doctor working to get you better. Tough even with them you generally have to ask "what's the evidential basis?"
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 5:56 am
Take it easy, Tazzy
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 7:22 am
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 8:44 am
Nah maaaaaaan, you just need to smoke some good, all natural herb and eat some quinoa. That will open up your heart chakra. Also you should wear some jade somewhere on your body many studies say jade actually promotes natural, positive thinking and a mood lift! PEACE MAN.
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 8:58 am
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(February 8, 2017 at 8:44 am)AceBoogie Wrote: Nah maaaaaaan, you just need to smoke some good, all natural herb and eat some quinoa. That will open up your heart chakra. Also you should wear some jade somewhere on your body many studies say jade actually promotes natural, positive thinking and a mood lift! PEACE MAN.
I really don't get the Quinoa hype. The stuff tastes half way between cardboard and styrofoam.
You know which crop tastes great, is super versatile and has unbeatable amounts of protein? Wheat. But nooo, wheat is boring and evil because it has gluten and calories!
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 10:25 am
Gluten, schmuten. Wheat gooooood.
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RE: Russia Declares Homeopathy "dangerous 'pseudoscience' that does not work"
February 8, 2017 at 10:29 am
Alex is just in the pocket of Big Farmer.
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