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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 9:20 am
(February 17, 2017 at 8:47 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Lol... Horsesh*t.
First of all - Trump is going to be making outlandish excuses whatever the opposition does. And his supporters are dumb enough to have voted him in, in the first place, so they'll buy whatever conspiracy bullsh*t he'll sling - just as they have been doing so far. That's been his strategy all along - to bet on dumb people, who instinctively distrust anyone using words more than 3 syllables long, who get all their news from his Twitter and right-wing propaganda mills, like Breitbart, and who never fact-check a thing. As long as he can keep enough of them them blindly sucking his d*ck - it doesn't matter what the other half of the country thinks of him.
So the half or so of the country that disagrees with you is dumb, while the half that agrees is smart.
Do you realize how that sounds?
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 9:44 am
(February 17, 2017 at 9:20 am)alpha male Wrote: (February 17, 2017 at 8:47 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Lol... Horsesh*t.
First of all - Trump is going to be making outlandish excuses whatever the opposition does. And his supporters are dumb enough to have voted him in, in the first place, so they'll buy whatever conspiracy bullsh*t he'll sling - just as they have been doing so far. That's been his strategy all along - to bet on dumb people, who instinctively distrust anyone using words more than 3 syllables long, who get all their news from his Twitter and right-wing propaganda mills, like Breitbart, and who never fact-check a thing. As long as he can keep enough of them them blindly sucking his d*ck - it doesn't matter what the other half of the country thinks of him.
So the half or so of the country that disagrees with you is dumb, while the half that agrees is smart.
Do you realize how that sounds?
Interesting that you chose to quote and respond to only half of HM's post. As regards Trump's base, what percentage of those people do you suppose could pass a basic civics/current events/general knowledge exam? That's meant to be a serious question, not snark.
Concerning the point to which HM was responding, your advice to those who oppose Trump's policies is to just roll over and let it happen, even if they think his policy proposals are wrong-headed and possibly disastrous? Seriously? Would you have counselled Republicans to adopt this strategy eight years ago?
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 9:55 am
(February 17, 2017 at 9:44 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Interesting that you chose to quote and respond to only half of HM's post. Why? People do it here all the time. It's so common I don't see that it's interesting. In fact, he did the same to me.
Oh, I get it, you're just casting shade... 
Quote:As regards Trump's base, what percentage of those people do you suppose could pass a basic civics/current events/general knowledge exam? That's meant to be a serious question, not snark.
What does my or your supposition on that have to do with anything? I'd likely guess higher than you, and we'd both probably be wrong. As a serious question, that was pretty bad. It would have been OK as snark.
Quote:Concerning the point to which HM was responding, your advice to those who oppose Trump's policies is to just roll over and let it happen, even if they think his policy proposals are wrong-headed and possibly disastrous? Seriously?
No. I said business as usual. That means normal opposition, not rolling over.
Quote:Would you have counselled Republicans to adopt this strategy eight years ago?
To my recollection that's what they did.
I'm not talking primarily about politicians. Consider the MSM analyzing Trump's every tweet, hate crime hoaxes, violent protests because a smart gay guy dares to be a conservative...I don't recall that from 8 years ago.
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 9:55 am
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(February 17, 2017 at 9:20 am)alpha male Wrote: So the half or so of the country that disagrees with you is dumb, while the half that agrees is smart.
Well, to be exact - the half of the country, that elected a bigoted, loudmouth reality TV attention whore and a pathological liar to be their leader - they are dumb (to put it mildly). The other half are significantly less dumb, for not voting for the orange rape-clown, but still dumb enough to let it happen. America is not exactly famous for having a population, that could be described as "smart".
(February 17, 2017 at 9:20 am)alpha male Wrote: Do you realize how that sounds?
The sound you're referring to is undoubtedly the ring of truth... I understand your confusion - you probably never heard it before.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 10:15 am
No, it's the sound of elitism...and people have heard it so much lately that they're rebelling against it.
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm
(February 17, 2017 at 10:15 am)alpha male Wrote: No, it's the sound of elitism...and people have heard it so much lately that they're rebelling against it.
If certain people are tired of hearing elitism, perhaps they should stop being so fucking stupid. Trump supporters are trying so hard to make it sound as if all opinions are equal, but they are not, which is why Crossless' question about a basic civics test is relevant.
When 2/3 of a group of people have trouble recognizing basic facts, like that unemployment actually went down under president Obama, there's not much of a better word to describe them than "stupid."
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 17, 2017 at 12:13 pm
(February 17, 2017 at 9:55 am)alpha male Wrote: To my recollection that's what they did.
I'm guessing you forgot the part about the Republican Congressional leadership determining to make Obama a one-term president by fighting his every proposal tooth and nail?
Probably because you don't want the Dems taking that example now.
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 18, 2017 at 10:57 am
(February 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (February 17, 2017 at 10:15 am)alpha male Wrote: No, it's the sound of elitism...and people have heard it so much lately that they're rebelling against it.
If certain people are tired of hearing elitism, perhaps they should stop being so fucking stupid. Trump supporters are trying so hard to make it sound as if all opinions are equal, but they are not, which is why Crossless' question about a basic civics test is relevant.
When 2/3 of a group of people have trouble recognizing basic facts, like that unemployment actually went down under president Obama, there's not much of a better word to describe them than "stupid."
I would add that the anti-elitist crowd has never worked out in a clear way just which elites they are rebelling against. Financial elites? Academics and other intellectuals? Duly elected political elites? Cultural movers and shakers? All of them?
If resentment about specific policy programs undergirded this rebellion, that would be one thing. But it really looks to me like it's resentment in a broader and deeper sense that animates so many of Trump's supporters. No surprise there, since demagogues, practically by definition, tap into such resentment to achieve power, and Trump himself is a walking textbook example of the corrosive effects of resentment in a narcissistic, ill-educated parvenu who's had a taste of celebrity. He and his followers are made for each other. They're just not a good fit for a healthy constitutional republic that depends on a well educated populace, a vigorous free press, and a recognition that facts aren't up for grabs. These people talk truth and principle but practice obscurantism and relativism.
And I'd bet the mortgage payment that considerably fewer than 50% of Trump's supporters could pass that basic (low bar) test I proposed. I doubt our president would pass it either -- not that it would matter to his people.
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RE: Michael Flynn, national security adviser, resigns over Russia contacts
February 18, 2017 at 11:40 am
(February 17, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm guessing you forgot the part about the Republican Congressional leadership determining to make Obama a one-term president by fighting his every proposal tooth and nail?
Probably because you don't want the Dems taking that example now.
That's part of business as usual. I would expect nothing less from them.
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