This Catholic nun gets it

[Lek]

She simply agrees with George Carlin.

A church in the area has a billboard in the city asking mothers not to abort their child. They are offering to accept the child and find adoptive parents for him or her.

[brewer]

She's not saying that she is pro-choice.  She is saying that people should not just be "pro-birth", but also be willing to help care for those children who's parents are unable to support them.  Apparently she favors paying taxes to support this effort.

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Then she should have no problems with religions/churches paying taxes. Or is that also someone else's problem?

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A church in the area has a billboard in the city asking mothers not to abort their child.  They are offering to accept the child and find adoptive parents for him or her.

Well, that's one way to combat declining numbers. Will they adopt to anyone or only the brain washing programmers?

[The Grand Nudger]

Just a wild ass shot in the dark, that church doesn't actually do a thing....they simply refer the mother to programs which exist independent of their church, or any church.

[Lek]

Just a wild ass shot in the dark, that church doesn't actually do a thing....they simply refer the mother to programs which exist independent of their church, or any church.

That's what it is.

[Catholic_Lady]

She's right. I also love this quote by Father James Martin, SJ

I am pro life.

That means that I'm also pro social justice.

That means that I am not only for the dignity of the human being from the moment of conception, but also for the dignity of the human being until the natural end of life. For life does not end with birth. A person who is truly pro life is pro all life, pro every stage of life, pro every stage of life for every person. For all life is sacred, because all life is created by God.

That means that I support anything that helps a person live a full, healthy and satisfying life, in every part of the world. So I am for care for the poor, for a living wage, for affordable health care, for adequate housing, for a humane work environment, for equal pay for women, for generous child care, for the support of the aged and the infirm.

That means I support caring for the marginalized among us: the refugee, the migrant, the displaced person, the homeless, the unemployed, the person with disabilities, the single mother, women who are abused, minorities of every kind who are persecuted, and all those who feel left out, mocked, lonely, ignored or frightened.

That means that I am against torture, because it is an affront to human dignity. I am against the death penalty, the most serious affront to an adult life. I am against abuse and mistreatment in prisons. I am against war as a way to solve problems.

That means I respect the lives of all creatures, and am therefore for the care of the world in which we live, for the environment in the broadest sense.

That means I am pro peace, pro justice and pro reconciliation.

The longer I am a Jesuit, the longer I am a priest, the longer I live, and the more I pray and listen and observe, the more convinced I am of the sanctity and beauty of life.

So, yes, I am pro life. Pro all life.

I hope you are too.

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[Minimalist]

She simply agrees with George Carlin.

A church in the area has a billboard in the city asking mothers not to abort their child.  They are offering to accept the child and find adoptive parents for him or her.

Good luck to them.  And for cute little pink caucasians the adoption market is just fine.  But it isn't so hot if you are a minority.  The trouble with churches is that one size does not fit all.

[Catholic_Lady]

She's not saying that she is pro-choice.  She is saying that people should not just be "pro-birth", but also be willing to help care for those children who's parents are unable to support them.  Apparently she favors paying taxes to support this effort.

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Then she should have no problems with religions/churches paying taxes. Or is that also someone else's problem?

Tax money that goes to the poor is basically a government sanctioned charity. I agree that these taxes are necessary because a lot of people don't do their part in helping those in need.

But ideally help for these people would come strictly from charities, and not from the government. We only need those types of taxes in place because it wouldn't be enough otherwise. The general Christian principle is that people give at least 10% of their earnings for the needy once their own basic needs are met. If everyone did this, I doubt we'd need the government to have to force it.

Anyway, my point is it is true that we as a Church don't pay taxes. But we do and give A LOT to help the poor and needy as it is. Likewise, if a person gives a lot to charitable causes, their taxes get reduced because they are already doing their part in helping society. It's a bit unfair to insinuate that it's hypocritical for a Catholic to support using tax money to help the needy.

[Amarok]

Nope being anti abortion is the very opposite to being pro social .It's suppoting the blantant violation of a womans body and would no diffrent then me forcing an organ trasplant or a blood transfusion or the absurd medevil belief that raping  a virgin would cure one of fatal dieses. And no it's intention or lack of are on the part of the fetus is a none issue. It's mere presence is a violation .Regadless of  weather she choose to have sex or not she choose sex not pregenecy .And such condition should not be used as social control .And yes abortion is taking responsibilty so pro choicers can drop that nonsense . As for the argument  of defeding somthing defensless .We kill defenseless things all the time. As for it being human thus an exception we allow for the killing of the defenseless  humans as well. Oh and lastly the argument it had unique DNA proves it's a foreign enitity within a womans body . And the argument for brain activity shows the same . As does  the arument from completness .even if it true undermines the Anti abortion argument not strengthens it.


We have already gone dubious claim of Church" charity " and "helping the poor" and no ideally the church should be cut out altogether and replaced with government programs . And it can't be force if you by default agreed to pay.

[brewer]

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Then she should have no problems with religions/churches paying taxes. Or is that also someone else's problem?

Tax money that goes to the poor is basically a government sanctioned charity. I agree that these taxes are necessary because a lot of people don't do their part in helping those in need.

But ideally help for these people would come strictly from charities, and not from the government. We only need those types of taxes in place because it wouldn't be enough otherwise. The general Christian principle is that people give at least 10% of their earnings for the needy once their own basic needs are met. If everyone did this, I doubt we'd need the government to have to force it.  

Anyway, my point is it is true that we as a Church don't pay taxes. But we do and give A LOT to help the poor and needy as it is. Likewise, if a person gives a lot to charitable causes, their taxes get reduced because they are already doing their part in helping society. It's a bit unfair to insinuate that it's hypocritical for a Catholic to support using tax money to help the needy.

No, I'm saying it's hypocritical for the church not to pay taxes.

[Amarok]

A church in the area has a billboard in the city asking mothers not to abort their child.  They are offering to accept the child and find adoptive parents for him or her.

Good luck to them.  And for cute little pink caucasians the adoption market is just fine.  But it isn't so hot if you are a minority.  The trouble with churches is that one size does not fit all.

Not to mention the fact that adoption can be incredibly harmful to all parties involved .And I find it funny how a woman who takes responsibility and goes through the unpleasantness of an abortion is depicted as  selfish and  lazy. While woman who offload there children on to other people are made saints by the same people.