Debate: God Exists

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh for fucks sake, are you really peddling some nonsense about god belief being forward thinking and visionary?  Yeah, that's -exactly- the dynamic at play, when a person subscribes to mythologies that have persisted for millennia in the face of direct rebuttals by -actual- forward thinkers, wondering what could be, rather than accepting that which they were told what was.

[downbeatplumb]

I cannot think of any variety of the god concept that I find in the least bit likely.
In fact there has been no idea of god that I've seen that I've found anything other than preposterous.

but, in the absence of absolute knowledge that God of any kind can not exist, doesnt your statement make you extremely small minded?

No it doesn't. 

Don't get you panties in a twist, I'm not calling you names. I am referring to the fact that if you are not back with an absolute, you're declarative statement at the very least point to a general lack of imagination, but more prominently an absolute refusal to examine anything you do not already accept to be true.

I am open to new ideas but they must be supported by evidence for me to take them seriously. Gods don't seem like a real thing, in fact I find the idea rather childish and given the complete lack of evidence I think that's how I'm likely to keep thinking of them. 

People like that dot our history, they are usally referenced as the nay sayers who said things like the earth was flat, man could not fly, man was not built to travel faster than a good horse could run, ect.. They like you found what they did not already know to be true 'preposterous.'

You are getting this arse backwards it is the religiously minded who retard progress because they already "know" the truth goddit is the lazy answer and "I don't know lets find out" is the hard answer.

Churches actively oppose progress be it technological or social they like to keep things how they are.

You can see this demonstrated in how truly religious countries are , they become comparatively backwards, pinning their technology and dress to the time they became religious, its why the Amish dress like 19h century farmers and Muslims dress like 4th century arabs.

So then I ask you Mr. thinker... what separates you from them?

I fail to be fooled by the easy answer of religion. I seek the hard answers that are true. Because religion is the enemy of truth. By making "faith" a virtue people think that believing in something is enough to be as relevant as evidence. They fail to even see that what they think of as profound are just childs stories believed by people too small minded to see past the lies.

Think out of 30K+ versions of Christianity You and or your parents got the right one? not only that, but I also assume you would have to be in 'good standing with your version of the God f the bible before he granted you wishes?!?!

Over here religions aren't really a bif thing my mums was a protestant C of E and went to church some sundays and my wife is a spiritualist but faith is not a big part of life here.

...And if God could not/would not openly bless those types of believers, because they worshiped religion over God?

Again! At best all you can say is you experimented with your idea of God and it failed. How then can anyone take such limited exposure to God and very limited knowledge of God and apply it to how the universe works?!?!?

I repeat I have never experimented with god, why should I? it is a silly idea.
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never look at a globe, never folded a paper air plane, never rode anything faster than a horse. got it! you only want to live where man has comfortably been. you want to be safe... So safe infact you forego what could be.

let me explain again. The concept of god in every incarnation that has been presented to me I have found to be unconvincing and laughably stupid.

I am always open to new ideas but when all I have seen are vaccuus silly ideas of what god could be I have to say that I don't believe them.
You don't have anything new, you've said your piece here and it is less than convincing.

You say I am closed to ideas I am not but I can discard them once they've been looked at and found wanting.

If someone said there was an elephant in your fridge would you go back repeatedly to look because they keep saying "no really its there" even once you'd looked and found no footprints in the butter.

[brewer]

I think dirch just said god is the product of imagination. Anyone else catch that?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So, essentially, OP wants to create a debate forum to debate 95% of what the Forum already debates.

I'm underwhelmed.

Boru

[Drich]

Oh for fucks sake, are you really peddling some nonsense about god belief being forward thinking and visionary?  Yeah, that's -exactly- the dynamic at play, when a person subscribes to mythologies that have persisted for millennia in the face of direct rebuttals by -actual- forward thinkers, wondering what could be, rather than accepting that which they were told what was.

Who said anything about blindly subscribing to anything?

[Asmodee]

I'm not here for an argument, I'm here to expand my mind and hear new ideas based in reality.  I know from many previous debates that such a debate will do nothing for me.

[Exian]

You don't interact with anyone here. Why should any of us want to play with you?

I feel like I've know Robot for years now.

[Drich]

let me explain again. The concept of god in every incarnation that has been presented to me I have found to be unconvincing and laughably stupid.
I am always open to new ideas but when all I have seen are vaccuus silly ideas of what god could be I have to say that I don't believe them.

So too thought the world is flat-ers. So too thought man could not fly. So too thought man would die if he exceeded 35mph. I'am asking you what makes you different? not the same as those people

You don't have anything new, you've said your piece here and it is less than convincing.

What was my piece? what common place thing did I say the lulled you to sleep so quickly that you moved to dismiss rather than discuss?

You say I am closed to ideas I am not but I can discard them once they've been looked at and found wanting.

That's just it sport... You stand in condemnation of God with nothing to support you except admittly limited/nonexisting life experience to tip your own scales. that act is what the term 'closed minded' is trying to describe. You have nothing but you own feelings, no evidence, no effort nothing just what the group says (just like the world is flat-ers) So again I ask what makes you any different if you are not willing to find out for yourself? You just take the word of others and make it your own truth.

If someone said there was an elephant in your fridge would you go back repeatedly to look because they keep saying "no really its there" even once you'd looked and found no footprints in the butter.

If the people who keep telling me no it's really there were beyond trust worthy... I would examine my definition of an elephant, fridge, in, and even the word 'was' and how it was being used.

I would never assume that just because my perception could not easily account for or completely phantom what was being communicated doesn't mean it is not possible. after all who am I? Who am I to say my understanding of the phrase "There was an elephant in your fridge" was the only or one correct interpretation to that phrase

When you grew up in a bilingual house hold rarely could you hold a person to a specific meaning or use of phrase. Rather the objective was to discern what is being communicated, and then look to see how the words best fit. If I had someone I trusted tell me something in all honesty that sounded crazy at first I would start breaking what was being said down to it's simplist form.and go from there.

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I think dirch just said god is the product of imagination. Anyone else catch that?

Sorry I missed that one.. where?

[Atheist Rambo]

Which God are you talking about ?

Zeus or Thor ?

Nope, I'm quite certain he's talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Atheist Rambo]

Which God are you talking about ?

Zeus or Thor ?

Nope, I'm quite certain he's talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.