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Debate: God Exists
RE: Debate: God Exists
Quote:Neo-scholastic

If you have no explanations for those things, then by default God is the best explanation.

NO explanation wins by default. Your claim would only be true if we ruled out every single other possible explanation.

If you have no explanation that literally means you have no explanation. This is a classic God of the gaps example, which commits the fallacy of arguing from ignorance.
"Faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence."
  - Matt Dillahunty.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 14, 2017 at 2:31 am)ma5t3r0fpupp3t5 Wrote:
Quote:Neo-scholastic

If you have no explanations for those things, then by default God is the best explanation.

NO explanation wins by default. Your claim would only be true if we ruled out every single other possible explanation.

If you have no explanation that literally means you have no explanation. This is a classic God of the gaps example, which commits the fallacy of arguing from ignorance.

Suppose you have 4 explanations about any given phenomena. The first three have some flaw. For the fourth, there is no plausible objection. Does that mean the fourth is true? No. It only means that it is reasonable to believe the fourth it is true as a tentative working theory provided it is coherent and conforms to experience.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
Nope. It's not reasonable to believe something just because you can't rule it out.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 14, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Jesster Wrote: Nope. It's not reasonable to believe something just because you can't rule it out.

It is reasonable to believe things are as they appear to be unless shown otherwise.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 14, 2017 at 8:07 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 14, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Jesster Wrote: Nope. It's not reasonable to believe something just because you can't rule it out.

It is reasonable to believe things are as they appear to be unless shown otherwise.

That's not what you said the first time.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 14, 2017 at 8:07 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: It is reasonable to believe things are as they appear to be unless shown otherwise.

Bingo - that's what we've been saying.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 14, 2017 at 7:51 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 14, 2017 at 2:31 am)ma5t3r0fpupp3t5 Wrote: NO explanation wins by default. Your claim would only be true if we ruled out every single other possible explanation.

If you have no explanation that literally means you have no explanation. This is a classic God of the gaps example, which commits the fallacy of arguing from ignorance.

Suppose you have 4 explanations about any given phenomena. The first three have some flaw. For the fourth, there is no plausible objection. Does that mean the fourth is true? No. It only means that it is reasonable to believe the fourth it is true as a tentative working theory provided it is coherent and conforms to experience.

By "every single other possible explanation" I don't just mean all explanations we have, but every possible explanation.

It would only be reasonable to believe in 4 if we ruled out all possible explanations, not just all explanations we currently have.
"Faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence."
  - Matt Dillahunty.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 13, 2017 at 7:41 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: Again, differences do not imply any truth at all. If you think that if one religion being the only religion that claims God speaks to people makes it true, then I can just as easily say that any of the distinct religions are accurate because of their differences.
As for a link: http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/find...-with-god/
You can't be this dense

So lets back up the argument to what started all of this: "Your claim that Christianity is like every other in that all God interact with their followers." Then I corrected your statement several times as you've been trying to find a loop hole. You did and still seem unaware that IF say a Muslim 'spoke to allah' then they would be elevating themselves above the status of the prophet Mohammad, or they would be guilty of blaspheme.

So back to How do we know Christianity is true? because it places the individual/follower before God himself. This claim has been vetted by the population of Christian believers at large for over 2000 years. This process is not hidden to anyone, and everyone is welcome.

Quote:There are individuals that claim to talk to God that are Christians, are you challenging that? I would hope not, since that is clearly true. Whether or not these religions claim that God can speak to people isn't going to mean that the individuals are not going to claim God spoke to them. 
Citations please. I think you 'feel' that you are right but never researched it. What you fail to understand is to claim contact with God in other religions is a death sentence in most cases.
Again as only prophets can make this claim. As I exampled above To make this claim in most if not all other religions even Judaism is blaspheme and a death sentence follows.

Quote:Christianity has prayer, but other religions have prayer to. 
I'm not talking about prayer. If you have a friendship do you pray to your friend? If you have a mentor do you always pray or speak in prayer to him?

Quote:You do assume its true.
No I challenged God in the and He said to challenge Him and I found the Truth.
Quote:Where have I said this?

Here is a quote from you:
Quote:This means God ceases to be out of the hands of the specialized/religious and is accessible to everyone. Meaning if you are arguing against the existence of God, you do not understand the basic fundamentals of Christianity. The whole concept is about putting all of us in direct contact with God. If you are not, then you do not worship the God of the bible.

That makes the bible, and our 'testimonies' not an argument for God, but apart of the map to find God. That is the difference between those who know God and those who do not. They do not see an argument but a path to follow. one you can do on your own without the thumb of religion pressing down on you.

The quoted bit says the exact oppsite of your intended meaning. It says Under God we are free from the laws of religion.


Quote:Panic 
AYYYEEEE!

No one's ever put it that way!

Do you have proof of your claim?
I know, Christians don't like to hear that. First, do you have proof of God's existence? You are the one postulating that a divine being exists. 
I do have reasons to reject the existence of God, but whether you are actually interested is a different story.
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Yes I have proof of God's existance, how many times must i say YES!

So now then do you have proof He does not exist???
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RE: Debate: God Exists
Yes I have proof of God's existance, how many times must i say YES!

So now then do you have proof He does not exist???
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Until it's true?

And what would you accept as proof he didn't exist?
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: Debate: God Exists
Harry Nevis Wrote:
Drich Wrote:Yes I have proof of God's existance, how many times must i say YES!

So now then do you have proof He does not exist???

Until it's true?

And what would you accept as proof he didn't exist?

His proof is 'I've got the feels, and I know they're from the God I believe in!' Just like believers in Shiva and Grandfather Raven.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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