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I think by this point, Godschild is just disagreeing with about everything anyone who isn't marked "Christian" says about Christianity, just for the mere fact that they're not a theist.
I've noticed several times where you contradict yourself, and agree with the point made, and then try to weasel out of the point in disagreement when you find someone who isn't of your faith agreeing with you, or actually describing Christianity the way it actually is.
The thing is, you know the phrase "God sacrificed himself, to himself" is an accurate statement, you just believe that since someone that isn't of your faith is saying it, not only take offense, but try to re-arrange everything and play word games, and go off on a tangent when anyone tries to explain it to you.
So far, you have yet to demonstrate how the statement is false, this is what the whole conversation is about, because you found it false. You've acknowledged that it's correct several times in your posts, then you go on to try to change the very nature of the trinity itself.
You ignore, or laugh at intricate explanations and refuse them, claiming that it's "non-sense" -- And that people aren't talking about the New Testament, and watch too much TV...
...Then you go on to offer your own assertions about your religion off of a whim and guess, without any references.
If you'd like, we can start this discussion all over. It's a simple matter, simply show how the statement "God sacrificed himself, to himself" is false.
Jesus was sacrificed to God. Jesus is God. God is God. God sacrificed himself to God. This is not a hard thing to understand, and is WHAT your religion and the trinity is about.
Realizing that God died for your sins is the core of the New Testament.
I like the way you think!
...But please stop thinking, it's not you.
Quote:I think by this point, Godschild is just disagreeing with about everything anyone who isn't marked "Christian" says about Christianity, just for the mere fact that they're not a theist.
That's pretty much s-o-p for the religiously blinded. G-C is nothing if not religiously blind.
(October 6, 2010 at 3:34 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Not at all VOID. We all have the potential to act negatively. I might state my aim as positivity, but who knows who is more so? I don't posses superpowers enough to know.
Sure we do Your attitude to losing an argument is very much evidence of the potential to act negatively.
I think by this point, Godschild is just disagreeing with about everything anyone who isn't marked "Christian" says about Christianity, just for the mere fact that they're not a theist.
I've noticed several times where you contradict yourself, and agree with the point made, and then try to weasel out of the point in disagreement when you find someone who isn't of your faith agreeing with you, or actually describing Christianity the way it actually is.
The thing is, you know the phrase "God sacrificed himself, to himself" is an accurate statement, you just believe that since someone that isn't of your faith is saying it, not only take offense, but try to re-arrange everything and play word games, and go off on a tangent when anyone tries to explain it to you.
So far, you have yet to demonstrate how the statement is false, this is what the whole conversation is about, because you found it false. You've acknowledged that it's correct several times in your posts, then you go on to try to change the very nature of the trinity itself.
You ignore, or laugh at intricate explanations and refuse them, claiming that it's "non-sense" -- And that people aren't talking about the New Testament, and watch too much TV...
...Then you go on to offer your own assertions about your religion off of a whim and guess, without any references.
If you'd like, we can start this discussion all over. It's a simple matter, simply show how the statement "God sacrificed himself, to himself" is false.
Jesus was sacrificed to God. Jesus is God. God is God. God sacrificed himself to God. This is not a hard thing to understand, and is WHAT your religion and the trinity is about.
Realizing that God died for your sins is the core of the New Testament.
You are right God did die for my sins and I've accepted that, you have not and so we stand on different sides of the fence. From my side I can see what God really did for me, from your side .... well you can not see because you do not have faith in God. As you said God died for me, so that must mean that you agree with me that God did not sacrifice Himself to Himself. The only reason God would have sacrificed Himself to Himself is because He would need salvation from sin and since He is perfect he did not need to do that. So there you are God died for me not Himself now how cool is that, I think totally.
Because the Bible is our only document about God and what He has done for our salvation show me where God said that He must sacrifice Himself to Himself to save mankind. If God sacrifices Himself to Himself then that leaves mankind out. Also show me in scriptures were and how God tried Himself condemned Himself to death, beat Himself nearly to death, nailed Himself to the cross ran a spear through His side and then said just before He died I know that you God accept my sacrifice to you from Me. I do believe that Christ said,"My God why have you forsaken Me."
Forsaken: means to renounce or turn away from entirely. This does not seem like God was sacrificing Himself to Himself, does sound like He sacrificed Himself for mankind.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
October 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm (This post was last modified: October 9, 2010 at 12:11 am by Minimalist.)
(October 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm)Watson Wrote:
(October 6, 2010 at 1:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Odds are it didnt happen.
Not the point, regardless.
Um....yes it is.
In the words of H. L. Mencken:
Quote:There is no possibility whatsoever of reconciling science and theology, at least in Christendom. Either Jesus arose from the dead or He didn't. If he did, then Christianity becomes plausible; if He did not, then it is sheer nonsense
Your attitude to losing an argument is very much evidence of the potential to act negatively.
