Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?

[RoadRunner79]

That is a lot of claims for someone who was shifting the burden of proof just a few minutes ago (out of context; I may also add).
Now it is my turn to ask why?  What evidence or reason do you give for these claims?

Again sorry, but this is the same dodge everyone of every religion gives. 

We are finite, sorry you don't like that. I am trying to help you escape your fantasy. 

13.8 year old universe and you'd have me believe some old and unscientific book of myth explains shit?

Everything has a shelf life all the way down to atoms. Atoms cannot act like an entire in tact functioning brain. Break down the functioning highway into unusable pieces it will not be in tact. If you really think you survive your death we should expect to see neutral experiments where you could decapitate a human head, re attach it and have it function as if nothing happened. Same with our planet, all it would take to kill our planet and all life on it is a meteor or commit bigger than what killed the dinosaurs, like the commit that hit Jupiter a few years back. 

The sun as well has finite fuel and it will burn out, collapse or expand and eventually die. 

If you already reject rightfully the afterlife myths of other religions, even the pre life reincarnation and post life reincarnation myths of even Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as the afterlife myths of Jews and Muslims and the Ancient Egyptians then you should have no problem ditching even your own position. 

You are scared of being finite. No I don't mean death, just not being around as a consciousness forever. I am saying there is nothing to be afraid of about not existing just like you are not afraid of what it was like 5 million years ago.

What dodge?  I asked a question based on your claims... Which seem little more than physical things are finite..... I would tend to agree.  They have a beginning and an end.  This would also apply to a physical cosmos correct?  Now I would disagree somewhat with the assumption that there could not be something unlike what we have seen (and basing it only on that).  But I have heard a philosophical argument, that physical things are necessarily bound and therefore also finite.  

There was also a number of other claims in your post, that you didn't even touch on.... the question still remains as to why (your reasons or evidence for being so).

And would you please quit projecting your assumptions onto me... you are not very good at it.

[downbeatplumb]

[Jackie]

Again sorry, but this is the same dodge everyone of every religion gives. 

We are finite, sorry you don't like that. I am trying to help you escape your fantasy. 

13.8 year old universe and you'd have me believe some old and unscientific book of myth explains shit?

Everything has a shelf life all the way down to atoms. Atoms cannot act like an entire in tact functioning brain. Break down the functioning highway into unusable pieces it will not be in tact. If you really think you survive your death we should expect to see neutral experiments where you could decapitate a human head, re attach it and have it function as if nothing happened. Same with our planet, all it would take to kill our planet and all life on it is a meteor or commit bigger than what killed the dinosaurs, like the commit that hit Jupiter a few years back. 

The sun as well has finite fuel and it will burn out, collapse or expand and eventually die. 

If you already reject rightfully the afterlife myths of other religions, even the pre life reincarnation and post life reincarnation myths of even Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as the afterlife myths of Jews and Muslims and the Ancient Egyptians then you should have no problem ditching even your own position. 

You are scared of being finite. No I don't mean death, just not being around as a consciousness forever. I am saying there is nothing to be afraid of about not existing just like you are not afraid of what it was like 5 million years ago.

What dodge?  I asked a question based on your claims... Which seem little more than physical things are finite..... I would tend to agree.  They have a beginning and an end.  This would also apply to a physical cosmos correct?  Now I would disagree somewhat with the assumption that there could not be something unlike what we have seen (and basing it only on that).  But I have heard a philosophical argument, that physical things are necessarily bound and therefore also finite.  

There was also a number of other claims in your post, that you didn't even touch on.... the question still remains as to why (your reasons or evidence for being so).

And would you please quit projecting your assumptions onto me... you are not very good at it.

The only one projecting  is you, and you like your god otherwise you wouldn't make arguments for it. You like a human like cognition with super powers existing, otherwise you would not make arguments for it. God is a reflection of humans. You simply don't realize that all it is is YOUR own desire to have a super hero. Get over that fear of being wrong and you will understand us.

[SteveII]

[Jackie]

This is flat out wrong.


The only place that you've ruled out necessity is in your fevered imagination.  A corollary of this fact is that any calculation of how improbable the current physical constants are is based on nothing but hot air.  Nobody knows the ranges these values can take, nor even if they can take other values.  Your statements here are nothing but fancy lies.

I read the whole article. It does not support your assertion other than a theory (perhaps M-Theory), when it is formulated, can answer the question. That does not sound settled to me. A particular telling paragraph in the article was (emphasis added): 

Meanwhile physicists have also come to appreciate that the values of many of the constants may be the result of mere happenstance, acquired during random events and elementary particle processes early in the history of the universe. In fact, string theory allows for a vast number--10500--of possible worlds with different self-consistent sets of laws and constants [see The String Theory Landscape, by Raphael Bousso and Joseph Polchinski; SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, September 2004]. So far researchers have no idea why our combination was selected. Continued study may reduce the number of logically possible worlds to one, but we have to remain open to the unnerving possibility that our known universe is but one of many--a part of a multiverse--and that different parts of the multiverse exhibit different solutions to the theory, our observed laws of nature being merely one edition of many systems of local bylaws [see Parallel Universes, by Max Tegmark; SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, May 2003].

Regarding the probability, I understand your point that if we do not know the range, we cannot assign probability. However, why isn't the range of possible values unlimited? What factor(s) could constrain the constants of the universe before the universe? Or are you saying that one constant could be a restraint on another before the universe existed? Why?

Physicists posit a multiverse for the express reason to overcome the odds of getting the constants we have? Are you saying they are wrong?

If if if if, if ifs and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a party, and you are STILL stuck with a countless number of deity claims in human history that everyone tries to fill the gap with. I think Ocham's Razor deals with this simply, to the quick.

Which makes more sense to you, which seems more of a probability?

1. Allah exists, or humans made him up?
2. Yahweh exists, or humans made him up?
3. You do know that Yahweh started out prior as a lessor god in the divine polytheistic family of the Canaanites right? Are they real gods or did humans make them up?
4. The Hindu creator God Brahama exists, or humans made him up?
5. The Egyptian sun god Ra exists, or humans made them up?

In terms of probability, considering all the competing claims and dead claims of the past, and the fact nobody has any universal evidence that is not bias, I'd say there is no super natural all powerful being. I'd say humans are merely projecting their own human qualities on things that do not exist in reality.

[SteveII]

[RoadRunner79]

[Jackie]

[Angrboda]

[Jackie]