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I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
That these types of machines achieve such a state doesn't seem more likely to me than a high end OCR software doing it. Neither has the capacity to, metaphorically, say "Oh sod it, I didn't wanna do this!". Their tasks are too specific and limited. You don't have one unified AI Leviathan living in the Google mainframe figuring out the human condition, it's a bunch of algorithms getting fed numbers and spitting out others. These may be AIs learning patterns in the data they are fed, but they are not set up to learn what they themselves are doing. Methinks.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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#12
RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
While a human can program a computer to use predictions to control other humans, the computer itself, no matter how state of the art it is, does not have a will of its own. A human can fight against bad habits and addictions by sheer will. A computer has to do what it is told.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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#13
RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
(March 18, 2017 at 12:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: We don't need a computer with antisocial personality disorder.

We might not get the choice.





And turning it off might not even be an option:



At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
(March 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: While a human can program a computer to use predictions to control other humans, the computer itself, no matter how state of the art it is, does not have a will of its own. A human can fight against bad habits and addictions by sheer will. A computer has to do what it is told.

Well, this "sheer will" thing is unexplainable as far as I know. What you're describing is consciousness and we don't have any explanation for it. What makes our brains any different from a computer made of silicon? Complexity? Maybe but we don't have a model to explain that. It's a complete mystery at this point.

Do you understand? If aliens visited us now and gave us the ability to build computers billions of times more powerful than what we have today - even more powerful than the human brain - we still wouldn't be any closer to creating an artificial consciousness than we are now. Because we don't know what consciousness even is. We think, therefor we are but we have no idea how.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
(March 17, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Won2blv Wrote: Would you agree that the largest internet companies have been learning how to predict, with pin point accuracy, what humans want and desire?

If you agree, then wouldn't it be probable that the computer system running around these predictions, could start realizing that that there was no point in redirecting everything back to the humans. This computer system is able to start manipulating humans using its ability to predict human behavior, by controlling them with the flow of content.

    So I guess I am saying that an algorithm could become so accurate, that it learns that it can control humans with their predictability. Kind of like a quantum level sub-conscious that becomes self aware.

   Crackpot or no? Sorry if I'm missing science. Please correct any errors. Thanks

It's like saying if I put enough weather vanes on my house then I can control the weather.

(March 18, 2017 at 7:22 pm)Alex K Wrote: That these types of machines achieve such a state doesn't seem more likely to me than a high end OCR software doing it. Neither has the capacity to, metaphorically, say "Oh sod it, I didn't wanna do this!". Their tasks are too specific and limited. You don't have one unified AI Leviathan living in the Google mainframe figuring out the human condition, it's a bunch of algorithms getting fed numbers and spitting out others. These may be AIs learning patterns in the data they are fed, but they are not set up to learn what they themselves are doing. Methinks.

This.
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#16
RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable. Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
(March 19, 2017 at 6:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable.  Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.

Boru

The bulk of which are concerned with maintaining homeostasis.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
(March 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm)Mr Greene Wrote:
(March 19, 2017 at 6:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable.  Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.

Boru

The bulk of which are concerned with maintaining homeostasis.

Who synapses choose to have sex with is their own business. Don't hate.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#19
RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
On the most fundamental level, a CPU and human brain essentially function in the same way: electrical signals. A CPU's transistor is analogous to a neuron in the brain. The earliest evolved brains were essentially a cluster of nerve cells which then grew in number and size over millions of years, and as this happened sentience and then eventually consciousness gradually emerged.

Our CPUs have been doubling in transistor count every two years for decades now, although this has slowed down in recent years and may eventually stop at 5-nanometre nodes (although Intel has stated that CPUs may reach 100 billion transistors in 2026, equivalent to the number of neurons in the brain[1]). It's certainly possible that CPUs could eventually "think for themselves" and begin making decisions without human input, although whether or not that qualifies as sentience is unknown, as is the case with "primitive" life.

[1] http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126289-i...in-a-brain
"Faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence."
  - Matt Dillahunty.
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#20
RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
Neurons using electrical signals is more an analogy than an actual fact.
They are also rather more complex than simply on/off switches. 
There are 27 different neurotransmitters and over 50 neuroactive peptides:

Agmatine
α2-Adrenergic receptorsimidazoline receptors
NMDA receptors

Aspartate
Asp

NMDA receptors

Glutamate
Glu
Metabotropic glutamate receptors
NMDA receptorskainate receptorsAMPARs

Gamma-aminobutyric acid
GABA
GABA receptors
GABAA receptorsGABA-ρ receptors

Glycine
Gly

NMDA receptorsglycine receptors

-serine
Ser

NMDA receptors

Acetylcholine
Ach
Muscarinic acetylcholine receptors
Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors

Dopamine
DA
Dopamine receptorstrace amine-associated receptor 1[12][13]


Norepinephrine (noradrenaline)
NE, NAd
Adrenergic receptors


Epinephrine (adrenaline)
Epi, Ad
Adrenergic receptors


Serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine)
5-HT
Serotonin receptors (all except 5-HT3)
5-HT

Histamine
H
Histamine receptors


Phenethylamine
PEA
Human trace amine-associated receptorshTAAR1hTAAR2


-methylphenethylamine
NMPEA
hTAAR1


Tyramine
TYR
hTAAR1hTAAR2


Octopamine
Oct
hTAAR1

 
Synephrine
Syn
hTAAR1


Tryptamine
hTAAR1, various serotonin receptors


-methyltryptamine
NMT
hTAAR1, various serotonin receptors

Anandamide
AEA
Cannabinoid receptors


2-Arachidonoylglycerol
2-AG
Cannabinoid receptors


2-Arachidonyl glyceryl ether
2-AGE
Cannabinoid receptors


-Arachidonoyl dopamine
NADA
Cannabinoid receptors
TRPV1

Virodhamine
Cannabinoid receptors


Adenosine
Ado
Adenosine receptors


Adenosine triphosphate
ATP
P2Y receptors
P2X receptors

Galanin
GALR1GALR2GALR3


Galanin-like peptide
GALR1GALR2GALR3


Gastrin
Cholecystokinin B receptor


Cholecystokinin
CCK
Cholecystokinin receptors


Vasopressin
AVP
Vasopressin receptors


Oxytocin
OT
Oxytocin receptor


Neurophysin I



Neurophysin II



Neuropeptide Y
NY
Neuropeptide Y receptors


Pancreatic polypeptide
PP



Peptide YY
PYY



Enkephalin
δ-Opioid receptor


Dynorphin
κ-Opioid receptor


Endorphin
μ-Opioid receptors


Endomorphin
μ-Opioid receptors


Orexin A
OX-A
Orexin receptors


Orexin B
OX-B
Orexin receptors


Secretin
Secretin receptor


Motilin
Motilin receptor


Glucagon
Glucagon receptor


Vasoactive intestinal peptide
VIP
Vasoactive intestinal peptide receptors


Growth hormone–releasing hormone
GHRH
Growth hormone–releasing hormone receptor


Somatostatin
Somatostatin receptors


Neurokinin A



Neurokinin B



Substance P



Neuropeptide K



Adrenocorticotropic hormone
ACTH
ACTH receptor


-Acetylaspartylglutamate
NAAG
Metabotropic glutamate receptor 3 (mGluR3)


Cocaine- and amphetamine-regulated transcript
CART
Unknown Gi/Go-coupled receptor[14]


Bombesin



Gastrin releasing peptide
GRP



Kisspeptin
GPR54


Nitric oxide
NO
Soluble 



CO


Heme bound to 

H2S

Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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