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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 18, 2017 at 7:22 pm
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That these types of machines achieve such a state doesn't seem more likely to me than a high end OCR software doing it. Neither has the capacity to, metaphorically, say "Oh sod it, I didn't wanna do this!". Their tasks are too specific and limited. You don't have one unified AI Leviathan living in the Google mainframe figuring out the human condition, it's a bunch of algorithms getting fed numbers and spitting out others. These may be AIs learning patterns in the data they are fed, but they are not set up to learn what they themselves are doing. Methinks.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm
While a human can program a computer to use predictions to control other humans, the computer itself, no matter how state of the art it is, does not have a will of its own. A human can fight against bad habits and addictions by sheer will. A computer has to do what it is told.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 18, 2017 at 9:10 pm
(March 18, 2017 at 12:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: We don't need a computer with antisocial personality disorder.
We might not get the choice.
And turning it off might not even be an option:
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 19, 2017 at 1:58 am
(March 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: While a human can program a computer to use predictions to control other humans, the computer itself, no matter how state of the art it is, does not have a will of its own. A human can fight against bad habits and addictions by sheer will. A computer has to do what it is told.
Well, this "sheer will" thing is unexplainable as far as I know. What you're describing is consciousness and we don't have any explanation for it. What makes our brains any different from a computer made of silicon? Complexity? Maybe but we don't have a model to explain that. It's a complete mystery at this point.
Do you understand? If aliens visited us now and gave us the ability to build computers billions of times more powerful than what we have today - even more powerful than the human brain - we still wouldn't be any closer to creating an artificial consciousness than we are now. Because we don't know what consciousness even is. We think, therefor we are but we have no idea how.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 19, 2017 at 5:52 am
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(March 17, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Won2blv Wrote: Would you agree that the largest internet companies have been learning how to predict, with pin point accuracy, what humans want and desire?
If you agree, then wouldn't it be probable that the computer system running around these predictions, could start realizing that that there was no point in redirecting everything back to the humans. This computer system is able to start manipulating humans using its ability to predict human behavior, by controlling them with the flow of content.
So I guess I am saying that an algorithm could become so accurate, that it learns that it can control humans with their predictability. Kind of like a quantum level sub-conscious that becomes self aware.
Crackpot or no? Sorry if I'm missing science. Please correct any errors. Thanks
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(March 18, 2017 at 7:22 pm)Alex K Wrote: That these types of machines achieve such a state doesn't seem more likely to me than a high end OCR software doing it. Neither has the capacity to, metaphorically, say "Oh sod it, I didn't wanna do this!". Their tasks are too specific and limited. You don't have one unified AI Leviathan living in the Google mainframe figuring out the human condition, it's a bunch of algorithms getting fed numbers and spitting out others. These may be AIs learning patterns in the data they are fed, but they are not set up to learn what they themselves are doing. Methinks.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 19, 2017 at 6:10 am
I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable. Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm
(March 19, 2017 at 6:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable. Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 19, 2017 at 4:48 pm
(March 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: (March 19, 2017 at 6:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm neither a computer guy or a neuroscientist, but I tend to agree with the contention that once a machine 'brain' achieves the same number of synapses - for want of a better word - as a human brain, self-awareness is all but inevitable. Since the number of synapses in a typical human brain might be as high as 1000 trillion, I don't think we have to worry about a Skynet scenario any time soon.
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The bulk of which are concerned with maintaining homeostasis.
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 21, 2017 at 5:50 am
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RE: I have a hypothesis on how computers could gain sentience
March 26, 2017 at 5:32 am
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Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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