Why most arguments for God prove God.

[Mystic]

If God exists, then it's no strange thing that there would be good arguments proving his existence.

Unlike a unicorn that can exist in some universe or planet we have no idea about, that cannot be proven, God can be proven in many ways. And this expected if creation has relationship with it both spiritually and ontologically.

All arguments that prove God:

1.

Perfection must exist to be defined (different than fully known). 
Perfection is defined.
Therefore Perfection exists.

2. If we are not perceived, we do not have an exact value.
The only thing that can see us exactly as we are is perfect judging perception.
We have an exact value.
Therefore God exists.

3. Our actions are inherited to us.
The only who can cause us to inherit our actions is a perfect judge.
Therefore a perfect judge exists.

4. If a hypothetical creator can create goodness/morality from nothing, then it would be arbitrary.
If it was arbitrary, it could be anything the Creator wanted it to be.
Morality cannot be anything a hypothetical Creator wants it to be.
Therefore Morality is Eternal.
Morality requires perception.
Therefore Eternal Perceiver of Morality exists.

5.  Everything requires a reason/explanation.
God is the only explanation that explains itself.
Therefore God exists.

6. Love speaks an eternal exalted language.
That Eternal exalted language has no limits to potential.
All potentials of love must have a basis.
The basis must be highest form of love.
Love is real.
Therefore God exists.

7. Existence is a perfection.
 God is defined to be All-perfect.
Therefore he must by definition exists (another way to look at is that perfection itself would not be defined without God's existence).

[LastPoet]

How fucked up are you man?

[Jesster]

Did you read this before you posted it?

[Mystic]

Morality to be objective requires God to exist.
Objective morality exists.
Therefore God exists.

A worthy purpose of all things can only be God.
All things have a worthy purpose.
Therefore God exists.

[LastPoet]

Lel. What herbs do you use in your tea?

[Jesster]

I think he's making the drugs high at this point.

[Mystic]

Everything gets it's definition/form/reality defined relative to an Absolute Objective Perception that is a light unto itself. (this premise proves God in one go)


I would say the statement I just made is so manifest, so clear when you think about ANYTHING, you will see that whatever it TRULY is, get's defined relative to God and with respect to God.

[LastPoet]

Argument from Atheism
1: God makes atheists
2: Atheists exist.
3: Therefore God Exists.

[downbeatplumb]

If God exists, then it's no strange thing that there would be good arguments proving his existence.

Unlike a unicorn that can exist in some universe or planet we have no idea about, that cannot be proven, God can be proven in many ways. And this expected if creation has relationship with it both spiritually and ontologically.

All arguments that prove God:

1.

Perfection must exist to be defined (different than fully known). 
Perfection is defined.
Therefore Perfection exists.

2. If we are not perceived, we do not have an exact value.
The only thing that can see us exactly as we are is perfect judging perception.
We have an exact value.
Therefore God exists.

3. Our actions are inherited to us.
The only who can cause us to inherit our actions is a perfect judge.
Therefore a perfect judge exists.

4. If a hypothetical creator can create goodness/morality from nothing, then it would be arbitrary.
If it was arbitrary, it could be anything the Creator wanted it to be.
Morality cannot be anything a hypothetical Creator wants it to be.
Therefore Morality is Eternal.
Morality requires perception.
Therefore Eternal Perceiver of Morality exists.

5.  Everything requires a reason/explanation.
God is the only explanation that explains itself.
Therefore God exists.

6. Love speaks an eternal exalted language.
That Eternal exalted language has no limits to potential.
All potentials of love must have a basis.
The basis must be highest form of love.
Love is real.
Therefore God exists.

7. Existence is a perfection.
 God is defined to be All-perfect.
Therefore he must by definition exists (another way to look at is that perfection itself would not be defined without God's existence).

Everything you have said here is wrong.

Why do you do this? you seem like a nice young lad but I wonder about your motivation for coming here with.....with...I dont even know how to describe what you've come here with.

[Jesster]