What is logic?

[Little Rik]

Imbecile.  

When the people of the past thought that the earth was flat they did not struggle their mind.
They just went on with their lives as before but when they realized that the pineal gland is the
passage that allow them to leave the finite and into the infinite they struggle day after day to reach
the pineal gland with their consciousness.

They didn't "realize" any such thing.  They made guesses about the function of the pineal gland.  Guesses which are yet to be confirmed by any evidence.  So it's all just bullshit and religious dogma, exactly like what you're peddling here.

FOOL.  

People may well guess but as far as the guess turn into something that works then these guesses are welcome.
And by activate the pineal gland a sense of bliss become real.
It is a pity that idiots like you wait and wait until the bread fall from the sky.
It never will yog that is why that by waiting for the science to discover the role of the pineal gland you in the meantime get older and older and eventually die and not achieving anything.
How stupid can you be?  

That is a huge difference yog.

Yeah there's a huge difference.  The people who thought the earth was flat actually had evidence in the appearance of the ground around them.  The people who speculate about the function of the pineal gland just have stuff they pulled from their asses.  Like you, little rik.  You've got nothing but shit for evidence that the pineal gland has anything to do with either consciousness or induced experiences.  All you've got is a bunch of dogma that says that it does.  In other words, all that you've got is shit.

Idiot.  

As far as the guess turn into reality it show that the guess was right but is not even a guess because the teaching have been given by people who got the real McCoy by practicing and practicing so by follow their teachings you also get there.
The system works very well yog while physical science is still billions years far away from understanding
how the system works.
Why should I follow a science that is unable to understand what is behind the laws of physicality?
I leave that to idiots like you yog but don't you worry too much.
One day in one of the next reincarnation even you will get out the mental sewer and will rejoice all the rest in the state of total bliss.
The only problem for you yog is that you in the meantime will have to change several skulls because of your stubbornness and that is quite painful.    

You never thought about that, did you?      

Neither have you (thought about it).  All you've done is absorb the bullshit pulled from other people's asses.  That's not thinking.  That's the opposite of thinking.

Have a good day yog.  

[Little Rik]

You don't get it Atheo, do you?
Atheists do not keep in their mind only the idea that there is no deity.
They do keep in their mind a myriad of dogmas as previously posted.

These other views would be independent of atheism, since atheism is nothing more than the lack of a belief in any deity/god.

I am just saying that the various dogmas that atheists carry along are an extra burden.
Get it?  

Stop there Atheo.   

Don't you know the rule that the one who come up with a statement is the one who got to back up such a statement with evidence.

Yes, I know of it.

Very well Atheo.  

You are the one who said that science disprove God existence.

Where is that evidence mate?    

I said science is getting farther and farther away from god and the theist model is increasingly contradicted by science and already provided an example. The universe is large to the point that humans are insignificant and the inanimate beginning of the universe is disconnected from cosmic evolution that occurred after the singularity. Theism requires a guaranteed animate universe due to the necessitation of the deity's cause. However, it isn't guaranteed, so a contradiction exists and increases since our existence seems more and more insignificant. 
You could disprove that science is leaving theism if you provide one example of science demonstrating a deity as an explanation of a specific phenomena. It seems you are not willing to (because you can't)

That is total garbage Atheo.
Even a tiny ant can cause an avalanche that may kill a lot of people if she step (so to speak) in the wrong place.
Nothing is insignificant.
We are all connected to each other and the universe exist because of this.
Universal love is what is binding all together.
All the rest are dogmas and speculations.  

Hypothesis are like farts unless these hypothesis are follow by evidence.

So far there is no evidence about these hypothesis that is why they are confined in the corral of farts.    

I already provided evidence, stimulating certain areas of the brain give rise to hallucination produced by the brain.

Hallucinations are not NDEs Atheo.
NDEs are natural phenomena while induced experiences are not.

There are experts in the field that even they after years of study are unable to come up with any concluding evidence.
Have a look at this link just to see that even years of studies were unable come up with any conclusion.

http://deanradin.com/evidence/vanLommel2006.pdf

Finally, you provided a source. 
Based on what you said, these are survivors of death who required a functioning brain (otherwise they wouldn't be alive), NDEs are Near death experiences, so they were alive to produce these hallucinations. There is no evidence of brain dead people being able to have experiences, but there is evidence of brain alive people being able to have experiences. As for your source, his case includes objections to other explanations and therefore thinks that the failure to provide explanations results in reason to believe consciousness is independent of the brain. However, he fails to demonstrate explanations fail.
He acknowledged the evidence that certain phenomena can stimulate an NDE:

Yet, neurophysiologic processes must play some part in NDE, because NDElike experiences can be induced through electrical “stimulation” of some parts of the cortex in patients with epilepsy (Penfield, 1958), with high carbon dioxide levels (hypercarbia) (Meduna, 1950), in decreased cerebral perfusion resulting in local cerebral hypoxia, as in rapid acceleration during training of fighter pilots (Whinnery and Whinnery, 1990), or as in hyperventilation followed by Valsalva maneuver (Lempert et al., 1994). Also NDE-like experiences have been reported after the use of drugs like ketamine (Jansen, 1996), LSD (Grof and Halifax, 1977), or mushrooms (Schr¨oter-Kunhardt, 1999). These induced experiences can result in a period of unconsciousness, but can also sometimes consist of perception of sound, light, or flashes of recollections from the past.

His response?:

These recollections, however, consist of fragmented and random memories unlike the panoramic life-review that can occur in NDE. Also, exceptionally out-of-body experiences can occur during induced experiences. However, transformational processes are rarely reported after induced experiences. Thus, induced experiences are not identical to NDE.

First of all, many NDE's including the heaven experiences are relatable by people in their previous life (especially with religion). I provided evidence that out of the body experiences can indeed occur with stimulation of the the right temporoparietal junction. "Walking corpse" syndrome can give the delusional belief that someone is deceased. Indeed, even hallucinations of a person have been reported by simple atificial stimulation of the brain, so transformational processes are definitely capable of happening from the brain.

It makes sense why Dick Swaab* (Neurologist) claims the author Pim Van Lommel does not refute current neurological explanations and fails to give scientific basis for his perspective.

*In his book We are our Brains: From the womb to Alzheimer's 

Wrong again Atheo.
If you read the many NDEs experiences in here.......... http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html ............you will see that these people really die as declared by a doctor so your idea that to have an NDE you must have your brain alive is garbage.

I guess you never thought what the word PHYSICAL means Atheo?

And I also guess you never understand what is the difference between something abstract and something physical?

Now you are claiming the mind connects to "abstract objects"?

Not at all At.
The connection is already there from birth to death.
It is when the bloke die that the consciousness get disconnected from the dead body.
The same thing happen when your old car give up and will not go anymore.
At that stage you get out and look for a new car to continue your journey that go from point A to point Z.
And when you get to point Z you don't need any more vehicles (bodies).
Why would you when you already reach your final destination?
You are an abstract entity but as far as you are connected to a physical body in a physical environment you think that you are not an abstract entity.
This is a dogma that atheists in particular are stuck to.

Come back when science will have discovered something about consciousness, NDEs and whether we die or not when our body die.
In the meantime please don't tired your brain too much in the effort of turning a guessing into evidence.
Look after yourself brother.  

Not guessing, but evidence. To you, not knowing is evidence of the supernatural. That has been the basis of religion and nothing more than pseudoscience.

Look mate you bring any evidence that physical science know the role of the pineal gland beside emitting melatonin and I will send you a cargo plane full of 24 carat gold bars.  

[Angrboda]

They didn't "realize" any such thing.  They made guesses about the function of the pineal gland.  Guesses which are yet to be confirmed by any evidence.  So it's all just bullshit and religious dogma, exactly like what you're peddling here.

FOOL.  

People may well guess but as far as the guess turn into something that works then these guesses are welcome.
And by activate the pineal gland a sense of bliss become real.

More bullshit. The pineal gland has no sensing nerves in it. You wouldn't know whether it's "activated" or not. So this claim is just based on unevidenced guesses that prove squat.

It is a pity that idiots like you wait and wait until the bread fall from the sky.
It never will yog that is why that by waiting for the science to discover the role of the pineal gland you in the meantime get older and older and eventually die and not achieving anything.
How stupid can you be?  

What's even more pitiful is that jerkoffs like you lie and bullshit about what they have and haven't found. You're nothing but a scummy con artist. No noble or higher purpose in that.

That is a huge difference yog.

Yeah there's a huge difference.  The people who thought the earth was flat actually had evidence in the appearance of the ground around them.  The people who speculate about the function of the pineal gland just have stuff they pulled from their asses.  Like you, little rik.  You've got nothing but shit for evidence that the pineal gland has anything to do with either consciousness or induced experiences.  All you've got is a bunch of dogma that says that it does.  In other words, all that you've got is shit.

Idiot.  

As far as the guess turn into reality it show that the guess was right but is not even a guess because the teaching have been given by people who got the real McCoy by practicing and practicing so by follow their teachings you also get there.

The guess never turn into a reality. The guess remains bullshit and these gurus teach it to gullible twats like you, who are all too happy to repeat the nonsense.

The system works very well yog while physical science is still billions years far away from understanding
how the system works.

Even if I were to grant for the moment that the system works, you still have no way of knowing whether it has anything to do with the pineal gland. And that's where this whole discussion started. You claimed that NDEs were different from induced experiences because of how they influence the pineal gland. Now we find out that those claims were total bullshit. You don't know anything more about the function of the pineal gland than science does. Thus your claims were nothing but lies under another name. So you lied about the pineal gland making a difference between NDEs and induced experiences. That's all you are, little rik, you're a pack of lies.

Why should I follow a science that is unable to understand what is behind the laws of physicality?

Because it produces results which aren't a pack of lies and bullshit, which is all your "intuitional science" produces. Even if it were true that practicing yoga would lead to greater bliss, it most assuredly doesn't do so for the reasons that you give. All those reasons are is religious dogma, bullshit, and lies, like this crap about the pineal gland. You know nothing about how "the system works" because Sarkar knew nothing about how the system works, and you're just copying his line of bullshit.

I leave that to idiots like you yog but don't you worry too much.
One day in one of the next reincarnation even you will get out the mental sewer and will rejoice all the rest in the state of total bliss.

Yeah, well since you haven't reached "total bliss" then you're in no position to talk about such things. More blabbering about stuff you know shit about.

The only problem for you yog is that you in the meantime will have to change several skulls because of your stubbornness and that is quite painful.  

More lies and bullshit. Keep guessing your bullshit, "No Evidence" Rik.

[Harry Nevis]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013...eal-gland/

You're really a dumbfuck.  That's a speculative popular article about what the pineal gland may be.  That doesn't even come close to providing scientific backing for your claims.

Little Dick wouldn't know science if it crawled up his ass.

[masterofpuppets]

Not at all At.
The connection is already there from birth to death.
It is when the bloke die that the consciousness get disconnected from the dead body.
The same thing happen when your old car give up and will not go anymore.
At that stage you get out and look for a new car to continue your journey that go from point A to point Z.
And when you get to point Z you don't need any more vehicles (bodies).
Why would you when you already reach your final destination?
You are an abstract entity but as far as you are connected to a physical body in a physical environment you think that you are not an abstract entity.
This is a dogma that atheists in particular are stuck to.

How the hell did you determine that consciousness can continue to exist after death? As far as I am aware, no one has ever witnessed/demonstrated any form of a "mind" without physical substance, and as I have already pointed out, the evidence suggests that consciousness arises purely in the brain. Even if consciousness can exist without any sort of physical manifestation, I'm not sure how anyone would be able to prove it. You are being incredibly silly.

[SuperSentient]

I am just saying that the various dogmas that atheists carry along are an extra burden.
Get it?  

Which would only be the lack of a belief in deities. So, to you, there lack of faith in any deity is their dogma that burdens them.

That is total garbage Atheo.
Even a tiny ant can cause an avalanche that may kill a lot of people if she step (so to speak) in the wrong place.
Nothing is insignificant.
We are all connected to each other and the universe exist because of this.
Universal love is what is binding all together.
All the rest are dogmas and speculations.  

Relative to the universe, yes, there is insignificance. Not garbage, its science.

Hallucinations are not NDEs Atheo.

NDEs are natural phenomena while induced experiences are not.

They are actually. NDE's occur by the hallucinatory abilities of the brain. 

Wrong again Atheo.

If you read the many NDEs experiences in here.......... http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html ............you will see that these people really die as declared by a doctor so your idea that to have an NDE you must have your brain alive is garbage.

But certainly they resurfaced from their death experience, otherwise, they wouldn't be alive to talk about it.

Not at all At.
The connection is already there from birth to death.
It is when the bloke die that the consciousness get disconnected from the dead body.
The same thing happen when your old car give up and will not go anymore.
At that stage you get out and look for a new car to continue your journey that go from point A to point Z.
And when you get to point Z you don't need any more vehicles (bodies).
Why would you when you already reach your final destination?
You are an abstract entity but as far as you are connected to a physical body in a physical environment you think that you are not an abstract entity.
This is a dogma that atheists in particular are stuck to. 

I wouldn't call it dogma to deny this view. The reason why I refer to this view as religious dogma is that there is no sufficient reason to accept it other than religious belief. At least we got science and increasingly understand more about the brain. If you think A priori that we will never reach understanding of it in scientific terms, then I can safely say you are not consistent with the "logic" you talk about. 

Look mate you bring any evidence that physical science know the role of the pineal gland beside emitting melatonin and I will send you a cargo plane full of 24 carat gold bars.  

Why the Pineal Gland?

[Little Rik]

FOOL.  

People may well guess but as far as the guess turn into something that works then these guesses are welcome.
And by activate the pineal gland a sense of bliss become real.

More bullshit.  The pineal gland has no sensing nerves in it.  You wouldn't know whether it's "activated" or not.  So this claim is just based on unevidenced guesses that prove squat.

It is a pity that idiots like you wait and wait until the bread fall from the sky.
It never will yog that is why that by waiting for the science to discover the role of the pineal gland you in the meantime get older and older and eventually die and not achieving anything.
How stupid can you be?  

What's even more pitiful is that jerkoffs like you lie and bullshit about what they have and haven't found.  You're nothing but a scummy con artist.  No noble or higher purpose in that.

Idiot.  

As far as the guess turn into reality it show that the guess was right but is not even a guess because the teaching have been given by people who got the real McCoy by practicing and practicing so by follow their teachings you also get there.

The guess never turn into a reality.  The guess remains bullshit and these gurus teach it to gullible twats like you, who are all too happy to repeat the nonsense.

The system works very well yog while physical science is still billions years far away from understanding
how the system works.

Even if I were to grant for the moment that the system works, you still have no way of knowing whether it has anything to do with the pineal gland.  And that's where this whole discussion started.  You claimed that NDEs were different from induced experiences because of how they influence the pineal gland.  Now we find out that those claims were total bullshit.  You don't know anything more about the function of the pineal gland than science does.  Thus your claims were nothing but lies under another name.  So you lied about the pineal gland making a difference between NDEs and induced experiences.  That's all you are, little rik, you're a pack of lies.

Why should I follow a science that is unable to understand what is behind the laws of physicality?

Because it produces results which aren't a pack of lies and bullshit, which is all your "intuitional science" produces.  Even if it were true that practicing yoga would lead to greater bliss, it most assuredly doesn't do so for the reasons that you give.  All those reasons are is religious dogma, bullshit, and lies, like this crap about the pineal gland.  You know nothing about how "the system works" because Sarkar knew nothing about how the system works, and you're just copying his line of bullshit.

I leave that to idiots like you yog but don't you worry too much.
One day in one of the next reincarnation even you will get out the mental sewer and will rejoice all the rest in the state of total bliss.

Yeah, well since you haven't reached "total bliss" then you're in no position to talk about such things.  More blabbering about stuff you know shit about.

The only problem for you yog is that you in the meantime will have to change several skulls because of your stubbornness and that is quite painful.  

More lies and bullshit.  Keep guessing your bullshit, "No Evidence" Rik.

Let me tell you something about the pineal gland considering that for you is all bull.
I was telling you about to activate the pineal gland but first read this (below) about the gland.


Calcification[edit]
Calcification of the pineal gland is typical in young adults, and has been observed in children as young as two years of age.[29] The calcified gland is often seen in skull X-Rays.[29] Calcification rates vary widely by country and correlate with an increase in age, with calcification occurring in an estimated 40% of Americans by their 17th year.[29] Calcification of the pineal gland is largely associated with corpora arenacea also known as "brain sand".

It seems that the internal secretions of the pineal gland inhibit the development of the reproductive glands, because, in cases where it is severely damaged in children, the result is accelerated development of the sexual organs and the skeleton.[30]

Some studies show that the degree of pineal gland calcification is significantly higher in patients with Alzheimer's disease vs. other types of dementia.[31]

Pineal gland calcification may also contribute to the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease and may reflect an absence of crystallization inhibitors.[31]

Calcium, phosphorus,[17] and fluoride deposits in the pineal gland have been correlated with aging, showing that, as the brain ages, more deposits collect.[32] By old age, the pineal gland contains about the same amount of fluoride as teeth.[32] Pineal fluoride and pineal calcium are correlated.[32]


Calcification of the pineal gland has also been found to be closely associated to certain types of migraines as well as cluster headaches.[33][32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gla...cification


You see yog what happen when the pineal gland become calcified?
You most probably become demented or get Alzheimer or other mental problems.
But by activate the gland you not only keep it in top health but you go over.
Over where?
Over where a better stage of consciousness lie.
As the balance can go down it can also go up that is why the pineal gland should be activated all the time but idiots like you still don't get it.
Do you Yog?  

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I am just saying that the various dogmas that atheists carry along are an extra burden.
Get it?  

Which would only be the lack of a belief in deities. So, to you, there lack of faith in any deity is their dogma that burdens them.

Lack of a belief in a creator (not deities) is a dogma for itself.
Reality and also the science that you believe so much tell us that there is no way that something pop up from nowhere so it obvious that the universe has been created by a creator.
On top of that as I already explain you few times before extra dogmas are stuck into atheists heads such as those I already brought to your notice in previous posts.

That is total garbage Atheo.
Even a tiny ant can cause an avalanche that may kill a lot of people if she step (so to speak) in the wrong place.
Nothing is insignificant.
We are all connected to each other and the universe exist because of this.
Universal love is what is binding all together.
All the rest are dogmas and speculations.  

Relative to the universe, yes, there is insignificance. Not garbage, its science.

I got bad news for you At.
Science so far hasn't discovered yet where the universe come from.
All science say so far are guess, guess and more guess.
You bring evidence that science know for sure where the universe come from and I will cover you in
solid gold.  

Hallucinations are not NDEs Atheo.

NDEs are natural phenomena while induced experiences are not.

They are actually. NDE's occur by the hallucinatory abilities of the brain.

More bad news for you At.
NDEs are not hallucination BECAUSE a dead brain doesn't produce hallucinations.  

Wrong again Atheo.

If you read the many NDEs experiences in here.......... http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html ............you will see that these people really die as declared by a doctor so your idea that to have an NDE you must have your brain alive is garbage.

But certainly they resurfaced from their death experience, otherwise, they wouldn't be alive to talk about it.

You don't get At, do you?  

The consciousness that experienced the NDE so to speak left the body-brain to then come back in the body-brain once the experience end.
It is like if you stop your vehicle for sometime and then go back inside the vehicle and resume your journey.    

Not at all At.
The connection is already there from birth to death.
It is when the bloke die that the consciousness get disconnected from the dead body.
The same thing happen when your old car give up and will not go anymore.
At that stage you get out and look for a new car to continue your journey that go from point A to point Z.
And when you get to point Z you don't need any more vehicles (bodies).
Why would you when you already reach your final destination?
You are an abstract entity but as far as you are connected to a physical body in a physical environment you think that you are not an abstract entity.
This is a dogma that atheists in particular are stuck to. 

I wouldn't call it dogma to deny this view. The reason why I refer to this view as religious dogma is that there is no sufficient reason to accept it other than religious belief. At least we got science and increasingly understand more about the brain. If you think A priori that we will never reach understanding of it in scientific terms, then I can safely say you are not consistent with the "logic" you talk about.

Religions by the way don't even talk much if at all about the pineal gland and the consciousness.
The teachings about these things by spiritual minded beings are now totally forgotten so don't bother to talk about religions.
Let us instead talk about logic and about what make sense and about what does work.
Atheists are really stuck in the belief that when you die is the end for you.
This is a guess that goes against logic.
To build the consciousness that we got it takes millions of years.
It doesn't fall from the sky as per magic but atheists believe in magic that is why that they follow dogma.  

Look mate you bring any evidence that physical science know the role of the pineal gland beside emitting melatonin and I will send you a cargo plane full of 24 carat gold bars.  

Why the Pineal Gland?

That is where the consciousness lie and without consciousness you do not exist so by understanding about
this topic you understand the connection between limited and unlimited.  

---

Not at all At.
The connection is already there from birth to death.
It is when the bloke die that the consciousness get disconnected from the dead body.
The same thing happen when your old car give up and will not go anymore.
At that stage you get out and look for a new car to continue your journey that go from point A to point Z.
And when you get to point Z you don't need any more vehicles (bodies).
Why would you when you already reach your final destination?
You are an abstract entity but as far as you are connected to a physical body in a physical environment you think that you are not an abstract entity.
This is a dogma that atheists in particular are stuck to.

How the hell did you determine that consciousness can continue to exist after death? As far as I am aware, no one has ever witnessed/demonstrated any form of a "mind" without physical substance, and as I have already pointed out, the evidence suggests that consciousness arises purely in the brain. Even if consciousness can exist without any sort of physical manifestation, I'm not sure how anyone would be able to prove it. You are being incredibly silly.

Not silly Ma.  
You read the hundreds of NDEs experiences and you can see that the consciousness separate
from body-brain at the time of death.
Doctors declared these people dead and witnesses agree that these people who had the NDE saw things
that their dead body-brain could not have seen so the evidence is there and your story that the consciousness arises purely in the brain is all crap.  


http://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html

[Angrboda]

More bullshit.  The pineal gland has no sensing nerves in it.  You wouldn't know whether it's "activated" or not.  So this claim is just based on unevidenced guesses that prove squat.


What's even more pitiful is that jerkoffs like you lie and bullshit about what they have and haven't found.  You're nothing but a scummy con artist.  No noble or higher purpose in that.


The guess never turn into a reality.  The guess remains bullshit and these gurus teach it to gullible twats like you, who are all too happy to repeat the nonsense.


Even if I were to grant for the moment that the system works, you still have no way of knowing whether it has anything to do with the pineal gland.  And that's where this whole discussion started.  You claimed that NDEs were different from induced experiences because of how they influence the pineal gland.  Now we find out that those claims were total bullshit.  You don't know anything more about the function of the pineal gland than science does.  Thus your claims were nothing but lies under another name.  So you lied about the pineal gland making a difference between NDEs and induced experiences.  That's all you are, little rik, you're a pack of lies.


Because it produces results which aren't a pack of lies and bullshit, which is all your "intuitional science" produces.  Even if it were true that practicing yoga would lead to greater bliss, it most assuredly doesn't do so for the reasons that you give.  All those reasons are is religious dogma, bullshit, and lies, like this crap about the pineal gland.  You know nothing about how "the system works" because Sarkar knew nothing about how the system works, and you're just copying his line of bullshit.


Yeah, well since you haven't reached "total bliss" then you're in no position to talk about such things.  More blabbering about stuff you know shit about.


More lies and bullshit.  Keep guessing your bullshit, "No Evidence" Rik.

Let me tell you something about the pineal gland considering that for you is all bull.
I was telling you about to activate the pineal gland but first read this (below) about the gland.


Calcification[edit]
Calcification of the pineal gland is typical in young adults, and has been observed in children as young as two years of age.[29] The calcified gland is often seen in skull X-Rays.[29] Calcification rates vary widely by country and correlate with an increase in age, with calcification occurring in an estimated 40% of Americans by their 17th year.[29] Calcification of the pineal gland is largely associated with corpora arenacea also known as "brain sand".

It seems that the internal secretions of the pineal gland inhibit the development of the reproductive glands, because, in cases where it is severely damaged in children, the result is accelerated development of the sexual organs and the skeleton.[30]

Some studies show that the degree of pineal gland calcification is significantly higher in patients with Alzheimer's disease vs. other types of dementia.[31]

Pineal gland calcification may also contribute to the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease and may reflect an absence of crystallization inhibitors.[31]

Calcium, phosphorus,[17] and fluoride deposits in the pineal gland have been correlated with aging, showing that, as the brain ages, more deposits collect.[32] By old age, the pineal gland contains about the same amount of fluoride as teeth.[32] Pineal fluoride and pineal calcium are correlated.[32]


Calcification of the pineal gland has also been found to be closely associated to certain types of migraines as well as cluster headaches.[33][32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gla...cification


You see yog what happen when the pineal gland become calcified?
You most probably become demented or get Alzheimer or other mental problems.

Blah blah blah. I'll bet you didn't even read the study. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about and just post bullshit.

But by activate the gland you not only keep it in top health but you go over.

This is pure garbage. There is no way of knowing if your pineal gland is "activated" as it has no sensing nerves. So this is pure baseless assertion.

Over where?
Over where a better stage of consciousness lie.
As the balance can go down it can also go up that is why the pineal gland should be activated all the time but idiots like you still don't get it.
Do you Yog?  

What I get is that you're an idiot who pretends to know things that he can't possibly know. This claim about the pineal gland is crap, just like all your other claims about it.

Other forms of pineal woo include the idea that the pineal gland has become "calcified," through various nefarious agents, most notably fluoride, mercury from vaccines, even chemtrails.[7] [8] While calcification of the gland can actually happen[9], and does occur in roughly 50% of the population by age 12[10] why it happens isn't clear. It's claimed that clearing away your pineal calcification can do anything from enabling you to dream better, think more laterally, enable you to see "the truth" (read: believe in conspiracy theories), to activating psychic powers.[11] These beliefs are the basis for the Alt-Med crowd to push supplements and "detoxing" diets that supposedly will rid your pineal gland of the calcium that accumulates there.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pineal_gland

[Whateverist]

FOOL.  

People may well guess but as far as the guess turn into something that works then these guesses are welcome.
And by activate the pineal gland a sense of bliss become real.

More bullshit.  The pineal gland has no sensing nerves in it.  You wouldn't know whether it's "activated" or not.  So this claim is just based on unevidenced guesses that prove squat.

Odd that with all the effort Rik takes to argue consciousness does not need a body that he also argues it does require this one anatomical feature. Which is it then, Rik? Consciousness does not require a body or consciousness just requires a specific part of the body, namely the pineal gland? This is probably an aspect of what Rik calls 'logic'. No doubt a life time of breathing and stretching exercises would be necessary to wrap ones head around such an idea.

[Alex K]

Jorm is practising a very special kind of masochism...