Deadliest religion ever?

[paulpablo]

I've come to those conclusions about you ham because you talk about your existence and it consists of seeing how many times you can masturbate a day, not being able to afford anything, having no human contact, you are a poor tosser who exists through a PC monitor.
Your sex life = your hand.
Your life = the computer screen.

[Regina]

It's extremely bloody obvious what "No one was ever 'stoned to death' by an atheist." is getting at.

No it's not.


People do bad things. "People". Anger and obsessive psychological tunnels that human brains create, have nothing to do with religion. When people go angry and beat the shit out of somebody, it's because they got angry. A drug can stop that anger and this is what hospitals do.

They don't give you an injection that make you an atheist, they give you an injection that silences the anger. 
Stoning to death is killing. Just like butchering a girlfriend because she likes somebody else, people who stone wives to death are just jealous, angry people who can't control their anger.

If they weren't Christian or Muslim, they will kill with another method.


Being a sick freak has everything to do with not being able to control your emotions. The brain will just find an excuse; Sunni religion, Shiite religion, Christian religion, Jewish religion, all are excuses, a killer is a killer.

To some extent I see your point, but I think religion exacerbates a violence problem in individuals.

*before religion* -

- Some people just have violent dispositions and might act on it and even kill in heated moments of anger, but probably even they wouldn't go as far as torture and extreme brutality in it
- Some men view women as second class and believe their role is in the kitchen
- Some people might be ignorant (not necessarily hateful) of homosexuality and thus might be uncomfortable with it
- People do inherently have some degree of tribalism, where they gravitate towards others who are similar in some way

Most rational people can come up with logical arguments against the above and overcome these things.

*Introduce religion* - You now have a divine justification to act on all your beliefs, and to not hear reason because "God says...". If we're assuming that we're talking about theocratic surroundings where logical discussion is branded as "blasphemy", the following can become reality very fast;

- The violent now have an excuse, and given the prescribed punishments by the religious doctrine they might come up with more elaborate gory ways to kill
- Men now have a divine mandate to own their wives, to beat them and to view them as baby-making machines, because "it's God's design for men and women"
- Ignorance of homosexuality turns into "God says this is unnatural"... and you must be put to death to stop it spreading (again often manifesting in gory brutal deaths)
- What might have been some distrust and reluctance to mix with people of other tribes before now becomes "you're a heretic and you insult my God... death to you too".

So while I'm not saying that humans are incapable of evil without religion, what religion does is take the base elements of ignorance and violent tendencies in some peoples' minds, amplify them 10-fold and give pseudo-"rational" justifications... with disasterous results.

[paulpablo]

Am I the only one completely befuzzled by this argument?

The meme says that atheists don't stone people so the implication is that non-atheists i.e. theists do. I don't think it is unreasonable to infer that, since the only difference between theists and atheists as a group are that theists believe in god(s), that this is in fact in reference to religious beliefs. Perhaps Hammy was incorrect to restrict this to just the bible but possibly you're being a little over-pedantic here Paul?

As to whether it is factually true, idk, I doubt judaism invented stoning, so likely used as a killing method by earlier religions/nations/non-religious groups. According to wiki, it was used as an execution method by the Aztecs too. I also think that there are likely many religions that didn't/don't use it, so singling out atheists as morally superior just because they (possibly) haven't/don't stone people is a bit disingenuous. Plenty of atheists support the death penalty to this day. Person still ends up dead, does it make a huge amount of difference if one is seemingly more 'humane' than the other?

Fwiw I also hate that 'good people/evil people' quote and meme, since in my view good and evil are religious concepts - so it actually needs religion for any of them.

But in my experience meme's are usually technically inaccurate, after all they are just soundbites with pictures, so really not something to get all worked up about.







Sent from my ALE-L21 using Tapatalk

Whether I'm being too pedantic or not is subjective.

Remember all I did was see a meme saying no one was ever stoned to death by an atheist.

Stoning to death isn't limited to religious actions or religious people.

If we can agree that I'm not being pedantic or disingenuous in making that statement then I don't see how I'm being pedantic In NOT assuming that stoned to death means in religious circumstances.

If I say "no one without a machine gun ever shot someone" it's false. Just because I mentioned machine guns in the sentence doesn't mean shot related to machine guns.

If I say "No one without a penis ever sexually molested someone" it doesn't mean that the sexual molestation had to involve a penis, I'm making an incorrect statement about sexual molestations.

so if someone says an atheist never stoned someone to death why does the stoning have to be in a religious context?

[Brian37]

Exactly. Only religious nutjobs engage in the act of 'stoning someone to death'.

And no I don't mean literally and to be honest it's rather sad that even the scare quotes isn't enough for some intentionally obtuse people.

Ignoring what I wrote, because you can't find anything rational to face it with, is exactly the opposite of the word "exactly".

To be honest, it's so sad to see somebody using religion as a justification for their own mindset; kill butcher stone burn then throw it on Jesus or Mohammed. 

A guy somewhere, dealing with rejection through raping his school crush, then blame the way she dresses. That is what stoning to death is; husbands that can't handle the insult of their wives fucking other men.

Keep dreaming of a higher self.

Atlas, while I am glad you are neither Sunni or Shiite, like Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists, you still miss the point.

What makes humans do cruel things is our evolution, what makes us do good things is also our evolution. A lioness will protect it's cub, while a male lion will kill any cub it finds not to be of it's loins. Zebras will do the same too. Elephants protect their young and mourn their dead. If you raise a cat and dog together from a kitten and puppy in the same house they are far more likely to get along because of that familiarity. 

There is no "higher self" there is no such thing as "nirvana" or reincarnation either. There is however, a very good side of our species, our ability to be compassionate. And our ability to understand nature through science. That does not mean we have to look at life without art or love, it merely means we don't need to assign the beauty of life to magic or gods or superstition.

As far as adultery that is a mythological word rooted in religion. In evolutionary biology it is explained. Males produce more sperm than a female has eggs. That lopsided ratio lead our species males to seek out multiple partners. Lots of mammals such as other apes, and lions and Zebras do the same as males. Now, that is NOT to say human men and women value multiple relationships, it is merely is a scientific explanation of where our sex drive evolved from. 

What the real pain is for humans as far as shying away from adultery is the lying, the omission the violation of trust, not the sex itself. Polygamy is rooted in evolution, other mammals have multiple partners. NO it does not justify that either, but again, an explanation as to where the real roots of our species behavior come from.

Other species such as penguins pick one partner and stay with them for life. Humans evolved for some individual women and men to be more driven to multiple partners while others are driven to seek out one for life. So for humans we evolved to do both. 

Emotionally in the west what we evolved to socially is to expect honesty but unfortunately with every religion it takes that concept and ruins it with old explanations.

[Edwardo Piet]

I've come to those conclusions about you ham because you talk about your existence and it consists of seeing how many times you can masturbate a day, not being able to afford anything, having no human contact, you are a poor tosser who exists through a PC monitor.
Your sex life = your hand.
Your life = the computer screen.

I already dealt with this:

Ham you're a lonely internet creep, your sex life consists of furiously masturbating by yourself and you don't have enough resources to afford a KFC bucket.  You are a charity case.

You're right about everything apart from the 'creep' and 'charity case' part. I notice you reach those conclusions via no logical process as per usual.

You reached the conclusions that I was a 'creep' and a 'charity case' based on nothing. I already said you're right about the other stuff... it would kind of be hard to be wrong about the other stuff when I brag about it regularly.

Furious masturbation is something I'm proud of

[Nanny]

all of them

---

all of them

except possibly jainsim.