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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
March 25, 2017 at 5:43 pm
(March 25, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ah, surely not everything. The cake should be fine for example.
The Cake?! The Cake is a lie too!!!
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
March 25, 2017 at 5:44 pm
(March 25, 2017 at 5:43 pm)godlessheatheness Wrote: (March 25, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ah, surely not everything. The cake should be fine for example.
The Cake?! The Cake is a lie too!!!
Damn it!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 3, 2017 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2017 at 5:29 pm by Lek.)
Obviously you have a number of relationship problems with your family and are very bitter. Do you feel that your Dad was just passing on to you his sincerely held beliefs about christianity, or did he really not believe it himself and purposely lied to you? They are two very different situations.
Are your family's christian beliefs the whole source of the problem or is it a combination of many things? Also, if you're getting all your bible study from atheists, of course you're not going to believe it. If you're really want to view the bible objectively, I suggest you balance out your study with some christian take on it as well.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 12:07 pm
(March 25, 2017 at 2:02 am)godlessheatheness Wrote: I grew up being told that we celebrated Christmas for the big guys birthday. Easter for the rising from the dead or whatever and Halloween is evil.
My father may not have taken me to church but he did make sure to tell me every lie that I grew up thinking. I never questioned what they did, it was just their thing. I questioned the Christmas thing in my teen years, then Easter, and Now I'm questioning more than ever. I feel more than betrayed honestly, I honestly fear for my loved ones that buy into everything that Christianity is. Because everything I used to think was not a big deal and everything they believe with all of their hearts are lies!
I've been studying the bible (Mostly by listening to other atheists read it and make fun of it. I'm a single mom I have no time to read.) and a lot of the stories are stolen and retold to fit the book, they have stolen ideas, they stole logos and used them to push their fucking agenda. They've even stolen holidays.
Christmas wasn't their thing until after they banned it for not being christian and then they just twisted it in their own ways to try and make it all about them, to the point where now they tell their kids that the true meaning of Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus. Which is ridiculous because if they knew how the original Christmas was celebrated it would be considered just as evil as they think Halloween is, which, don't quote me, I'm pretty sure comes from christian roots and has absolutely nothing to do with "the devil's birthday."
I straight up heard somebody say that thanking people was rooted in Christianity, gathering groups of people is a Christian thing, There's so much BS to smell here it's amazing that most of them don't smell it.
My dad likes to say that he fears I will burn in hell but I don't think he realizes I fear for him. I feel like he has been brainwashed and there's no fixing it. Same goes for the rest of his family (somebody pointed out to me that I refer to my dad's family as his family and not mine and that they are still my family but the truth is they have never given me a reason to feel loved. and I feel like family is a more personal thing, if you're going to make me feel like an outcast and then expect me to trust, respect, and love you? uh no thanks.)
Anyway I guess the point of this rant is that I've been learning a lot and I feel totally betrayed and like my family is being betrayed before my eyes and I can't do anything to save them from themselves.
I guess I'm done ranting.
It is apparent that you have been exposed to a very narrow version of Christianity that is not characterized by sound doctrine. Christianity has been answering the very toughest questions for two thousand years by tens of thousands of people writing hundreds of thousands of books in hundreds of languages. It is important to realize, there are no new objections to Christianity that this generation stumbled upon. Christianity is not on the decline, and certainly not because of "science" or any other such nonsense you may read in your narrow source of information. You have a caricature of Christianity in your head that is not real and the arguments you think are successful are not as successful as you think.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 12:12 pm
(April 3, 2017 at 5:29 pm)Lek Wrote: Obviously you have a number of relationship problems with your family and are very bitter. Do you feel that your Dad was just passing on to you his sincerely held beliefs about christianity, or did he really not believe it himself and purposely lied to you? They are two very different situations.
Are your family's christian beliefs the whole source of the problem or is it a combination of many things? Also, if you're getting all your bible study from atheists, of course you're not going to believe it. If you're really want to view the bible objectively, I suggest you balance out your study with some christian take on it as well.
Isn't that a contradiction?
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm
Believe it or not I love my family, I hate what god has done to them. but my Father is still my dad and this is just because of religion. I do not need the bible it is full of contradictions, Why would I believe in a god that would put innocent people in hell just for worshiping the "wrong god" but if a serial killer is to just ask for "forgiveness" they get to spend their lives in heaven. I call bullshit.
If you read the bible. ACTUALLY READ it. without this cloud over your head thinking that it's perfect in every way you'll notice that the whole thing is all kinds of messed up. I will not forgive the people who brainwashed my dad because all they've done is ruined a very smart man.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 1:43 pm
(April 4, 2017 at 12:07 pm)SteveII Wrote: (March 25, 2017 at 2:02 am)godlessheatheness Wrote: I grew up being told that we celebrated Christmas for the big guys birthday. Easter for the rising from the dead or whatever and Halloween is evil.
My father may not have taken me to church but he did make sure to tell me every lie that I grew up thinking. I never questioned what they did, it was just their thing. I questioned the Christmas thing in my teen years, then Easter, and Now I'm questioning more than ever. I feel more than betrayed honestly, I honestly fear for my loved ones that buy into everything that Christianity is. Because everything I used to think was not a big deal and everything they believe with all of their hearts are lies!
I've been studying the bible (Mostly by listening to other atheists read it and make fun of it. I'm a single mom I have no time to read.) and a lot of the stories are stolen and retold to fit the book, they have stolen ideas, they stole logos and used them to push their fucking agenda. They've even stolen holidays.
Christmas wasn't their thing until after they banned it for not being christian and then they just twisted it in their own ways to try and make it all about them, to the point where now they tell their kids that the true meaning of Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus. Which is ridiculous because if they knew how the original Christmas was celebrated it would be considered just as evil as they think Halloween is, which, don't quote me, I'm pretty sure comes from christian roots and has absolutely nothing to do with "the devil's birthday."
I straight up heard somebody say that thanking people was rooted in Christianity, gathering groups of people is a Christian thing, There's so much BS to smell here it's amazing that most of them don't smell it.
My dad likes to say that he fears I will burn in hell but I don't think he realizes I fear for him. I feel like he has been brainwashed and there's no fixing it. Same goes for the rest of his family (somebody pointed out to me that I refer to my dad's family as his family and not mine and that they are still my family but the truth is they have never given me a reason to feel loved. and I feel like family is a more personal thing, if you're going to make me feel like an outcast and then expect me to trust, respect, and love you? uh no thanks.)
Anyway I guess the point of this rant is that I've been learning a lot and I feel totally betrayed and like my family is being betrayed before my eyes and I can't do anything to save them from themselves.
I guess I'm done ranting.
It is apparent that you have been exposed to a very narrow version of Christianity that is not characterized by sound doctrine. Christianity has been answering the very toughest questions for two thousand years by tens of thousands of people writing hundreds of thousands of books in hundreds of languages. It is important to realize, there are no new objections to Christianity that this generation stumbled upon. Christianity is not on the decline, and certainly not because of "science" or any other such nonsense you may read in your narrow source of information. You have a caricature of Christianity in your head that is not real and the arguments you think are successful are not as successful as you think.
Every christian has a caricature of christianity in their head that is not real. The fact you think science is nonsense says a lot. And christianity has been answering the tough questions all right. But making up the answers doesn't count.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 3:01 pm
(April 4, 2017 at 1:43 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: (April 4, 2017 at 12:07 pm)SteveII Wrote: It is apparent that you have been exposed to a very narrow version of Christianity that is not characterized by sound doctrine. Christianity has been answering the very toughest questions for two thousand years by tens of thousands of people writing hundreds of thousands of books in hundreds of languages. It is important to realize, there are no new objections to Christianity that this generation stumbled upon. Christianity is not on the decline, and certainly not because of "science" or any other such nonsense you may read in your narrow source of information. You have a caricature of Christianity in your head that is not real and the arguments you think are successful are not as successful as you think.
Every christian has a caricature of christianity in their head that is not real. The fact you think science is nonsense says a lot. And christianity has been answering the tough questions all right. But making up the answers doesn't count.
I do not think science is nonsense. I will be clearer for those that struggle: Christianity is on the rise across the world because it resonates with people. Atheists think they have a compelling message. They either suck at getting their message out, or, it is not as good of a message as they think (or both).
People like GodlessHeatheness think that Christianity has not been answering all these objections for centuries and that somehow "science" will somehow shine through and illuminate the ignorant. That has simply not been the case (or is expected to). Most Christians do not fear science or any knowledge we can attain from many disciplines.
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 6:15 pm
(March 25, 2017 at 2:02 am)godlessheatheness Wrote: I've been studying the bible (Mostly by listening to other atheists read it and make fun of it. I'm a single mom I have no time to read.)
I've been doing this on and off for almost 20 years and you're the most honest atheist I've met to date. 
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RE: Everything I know is a lie!
April 4, 2017 at 6:46 pm
(April 4, 2017 at 6:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: (March 25, 2017 at 2:02 am)godlessheatheness Wrote: I've been studying the bible (Mostly by listening to other atheists read it and make fun of it. I'm a single mom I have no time to read.)
I've been doing this on and off for almost 20 years and you're the most honest atheist I've met to date.
Well I don't see a point in lying. I very much don't know everything and I'm far from being able to answer any questions a theist might have for an atheist, but I'm learning 
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