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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am
(March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 6:25 am)ukatheist Wrote: Why would defunding PP be a good thing?
No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc.
Trump also said that if PP would get rid of abortion only and just continue providing the other services they offer for women's health they wouldn't lose federal funding. Is that something the dems would agree to, or no.
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm
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(March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 6:25 am)ukatheist Wrote: Why would defunding PP be a good thing?
No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc. Not only that, but IIRC under the Hyde amendment there are no government funded abortions.
So at worst (if you are anti abortion) they set things up.
Edit: I looked it up and there are exceptions for rape, incest and health of the mother.
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 3:46 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am)A Theist Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc.
Trump also said that if PP would get rid of abortion only and just continue providing the other services they offer for women's health they wouldn't lose federal funding. Is that something the dems would agree to, or no.
Sorry but that pussy grabber does not have the right to keep much needed services from women. He doesn't get to dictate where a woman has a right to go to should she need an abortion.
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 4:40 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am)A Theist Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc.
Trump also said that if PP would get rid of abortion only and just continue providing the other services they offer for women's health they wouldn't lose federal funding. Is that something the dems would agree to, or no. So, PP could ditch the abortion services, and keep the rest (with their federal funding)?
Is there a reason PP could not offer abortion services under a different banner, completely separate from PP, since they (if I'm understanding it right) don't get federal funding for those services anyway?
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 7:46 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc. Not only that, but IIRC under the Hyde amendment there are no government funded abortions.
So at worst (if you are anti abortion) they set things up.
Edit: I looked it up and there are exceptions for rape, incest and health of the mother.
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Correct, planned parenthood does not use taxpayer money to fund abortion procedures. That isn't enough for conservatives. The fact that they even offer the procedure legally is enough to make them want it shut down.
https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/...parenthood
Quote:Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from Title X. There’s no keep-Planned-Parenthood-running part of the federal budget.
Quote:Here’s where “defunding” comes in:
At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for their preventive and primary care. So, when you hear extreme politicians talking about “defunding” Planned Parenthood, they really mean blocking patients who rely on public health care programs from getting their care at Planned Parenthood centers
But consider this. Many many hospitals also offer the procedure. Sure, maybe the "Our holy sisters of fake history" hospital might not, but many non-religiously affiliated hospitals do offer abortions. Hospitals also treat patients who use Medicare and Medicaid which is taxpayer funded. Wouldn't logic dictate that conservatives would also want to shut down all these hospitals as well? If they did, where would all the hillbillies get there care when they can't run to the ED with a toothache because they haven't seen a toothbrush in their lives?
Old assholes (republican base) don't go to planned parenthood. They go to the clinic and their associated hospitals for care.
The attack on planned parenthood is an attack on women, it's an attack on access, and it's an attack on those of lower socioeconomic means. Abortion is an out of pocket expense so shutting down the place where it's cheaper is all they care about. The affluent woman probably isn't having an abortion at planned parenthood.
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 28, 2017 at 7:51 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am)A Theist Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 11:35 am)Nymphadora Wrote: No. Despite what repubes believe, PP's services for abortion are significantly less percentagewise when compared to all the other services they provide such as birth control, std testing, counseling etc.
Trump also said that if PP would get rid of abortion only and just continue providing the other services they offer for women's health they wouldn't lose federal funding. Is that something the dems would agree to, or no.
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 29, 2017 at 2:49 am
(March 28, 2017 at 7:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am)A Theist Wrote: Trump also said that if PP would get rid of abortion only and just continue providing the other services they offer for women's health they wouldn't lose federal funding. Is that something the dems would agree to, or no.
What business is it of yours if some woman you never met has or does not have a kid, Adolf? Afraid your fuhrer won't have enough cannon fodder in the future? I seem to recall that abortion played a part in the final solution. Plenty of cannon fodder there for the Reich that you goose step to, eh Herr Mengele?
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 29, 2017 at 1:58 pm
Funny, I thought it started with the loss of civil rights and culminated in a simple solution of gassing then burning the victims while engaging in business-friendly slave labor.
All of the above seem rather Conservative-affiliated, from the obsession on revoking civil rights to the "Waste not, want not" pro-business use of to-be-executed prisoners.
I can't think of a leftist support for enslavement, restricting civil rights or using prisoners for labor to help private interests.
How strange...
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
March 29, 2017 at 2:26 pm
(March 29, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Funny, I thought it started with the loss of civil rights and culminated in a simple solution of gassing then burning the victims while engaging in business-friendly slave labor.
All of the above seem rather Conservative-affiliated, from the obsession on revoking civil rights to the "Waste not, want not" pro-business use of to-be-executed prisoners.
I can't think of a leftist support for enslavement, restricting civil rights or using prisoners for labor to help private interests.
How strange...
Not so strange. You leftists have your own bloody past. Josef Stalin's USSR, for one. Robespierre and the Reign Of Terror....
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RE: Fire Up That Flamethrower, Bernie!
April 5, 2017 at 10:22 pm
Robespierre was a student of the enlightenment.... the same school of thought that inspired our own Founding Fathers...( not jesus, as you christards seem to think.)
Anyway, it seems as if Bernie's fans were paying attention...even if they couldn't get off their asses to vote. Maybe some day they will invent a voting app so they won't have to put down their fucking phones.
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