Trans people & sports

[Jesster]

Here was my choice: transition or suicide.

Are you then beating the crap out of women in a MMA fight? If being trans is the super difficult thing, then the smallest sacrifice would be to not compete is combat sports or sports where there is a clear advantage to having been a man.

I couldn't beat the crap out of a woman in an MMA fight. Hormone replacement pulls my muscle mass down to the same as the average woman, and I don't have that level of training. I think you've clearly misunderstood how transitioning works.

Don't expect me to argue with you very long, though. I already know how biased you are in particular, and this is already a tired topic to me.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, a lot of people seem to think it's a topic we shouldn't talk about because there are other topics, but there are like 8 gazillion threads in this forum for discussing music, people's feelings, what they're eating, their favorite TV shows, why they're rage quitting, etc. For some reason, not every thread is dedicated to some tragedy flavor of the week. That could be because people are not obligated to only discuss the big issues. I'm actually a little surprised that there is this much "there's starving children in Africa" going on in this thread.

My theory is that this particular topic makes good left-wing people who are otherwise all on board with everything LGBT uncomfortable. People want to be good politically correct liberals but if you watch Fallon Fox beat the crap out of some poor girl, it obvious that there is an enormous advantage to being trans and participating in sports with people with two x chromosomes.

[Edwardo Piet]

Here was my choice: transition or suicide.

Are you then beating the crap out of women in a MMA fight?

Hello Mr. Irrelevant cunt.

The point is it's not a choice with or without sports involved.

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There is no choice involved in having a genetic advantage. Totally different than someone who's chosen to have surgery and live life as a woman and then chosen to compete in a competitive sport. If you, for example look at Fallon Fox, the trans who competed at MMA, you can tell just by looking that there is a major advantage over the women.

No one chooses to be trans.

QFT.

[Faith No More]

It's a forum. Aren't we capable of talking about more then one topic at once? Saying something like this seems like a way of avoiding giving an opinion.

Lol, if that was my goal, it would have been a lot easier to just not post at all, don't you think?

[CapnAwesome]

Are you then beating the crap out of women in a MMA fight? If being trans is the super difficult thing, then the smallest sacrifice would be to not compete is combat sports or sports where there is a clear advantage to having been a man.

I couldn't beat the crap out of a woman in an MMA fight. Hormone replacement pulls my muscle mass down to the same as the average woman, and I don't have that level of training. I think you've clearly misunderstood how transitioning works.

Don't expect me to argue with you very long, though. I already know how biased you are in particular, and this is already a tired topic to me.

Muscle mass is hardly the only issue. Bone structure is larger, bone density is bigger. It's not some random coincidence that a trans person smashed all the women's weightlifting records. Anybody can see the obvious advantages to having been a man and transitioning post puberty. To deny that is to deny science and reality.

[Edwardo Piet]

Should African Americans be allowed to compete in sport because they have an unfair advantage due to the weakest not surviving the slave ships? Should they have segregated bathrooms to protect white women?

Same bullshit different target.

His terrible non-argument is only there to mask his transphobia and bigoted right-wingedness asshat attitude.

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It's a forum. Aren't we capable of talking about more then one topic at once? Saying something like this seems like a way of avoiding giving an opinion.

Lol, if that was my goal, it would have been a lot easier to just not post at all, don't you think?

I doubt we could describe morons like him doing anything called 'thinking'.

More like 'having thoughts that are stupid'.

[CapnAwesome]

It's a forum. Aren't we capable of talking about more then one topic at once? Saying something like this seems like a way of avoiding giving an opinion.

Lol, if that was my goal, it would have been a lot easier to just not post at all, don't you think?

I do think that, which is why it's strange to come into a topic and say it's not worth being discussed. Especially considering all the totally inane stuff that is discussed. As an Athlete, I do find this an important topic. If I were a female athlete, doubly so.

[Jesster]

I honestly don't care what you think, Cap. You aren't worth it. It's not like you would ever listen to anything I said anyway, so why try?

[Edwardo Piet]

I couldn't beat the crap out of a woman in an MMA fight. Hormone replacement pulls my muscle mass down to the same as the average woman, and I don't have that level of training. I think you've clearly misunderstood how transitioning works.

Don't expect me to argue with you very long, though. I already know how biased you are in particular, and this is already a tired topic to me.

Muscle mass is hardly the only issue. Bone structure is larger, bone density is bigger. It's not some random coincidence that a trans person smashed all the women's weightlifting records. Anybody can see the obvious advantages to having been a man and transitioning post puberty. To deny that is to deny science and reality.

So you're transphobic for the same reason as someone wanting to ban black people from sports is racist.

[CapnAwesome]

Should African Americans be allowed to compete in sport because they have an unfair advantage due to the weakest not surviving the slave ships? Should they have segregated bathrooms to protect white women?

Same bullshit different target.

His terrible non-argument is only there to mask his transphobia and bigoted right-wingedness asshat attitude.

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Lol, if that was my goal, it would have been a lot easier to just not post at all, don't you think?

I doubt we could describe morons like him doing anything called 'thinking'.

More like 'having thoughts that are stupid'.

Ad-hominem! Learn to think and stop using so many logical fallacies.

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Muscle mass is hardly the only issue. Bone structure is larger, bone density is bigger. It's not some random coincidence that a trans person smashed all the women's weightlifting records. Anybody can see the obvious advantages to having been a man and transitioning post puberty. To deny that is to deny science and reality.

So you're transphobic for the same reason as someone wanting to ban black people from sports is racist.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not transphobic, I just recognize obvious reality here. Black people have 99.9% of the same genetic material as everyone else. In fact the advantage they have in sports is probably as much about culture as anything. There is more variation between the various 'races' as there is within them. Trans people don't even share the same chromosomes as those they want to compete with. It's so totally different. To say that Fallon Fox:


Should not be beating up on girls isn't transphobic, it's a statement of science.