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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 9, 2017 at 1:25 pm
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(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is no doubt [...]
I doubt that.
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I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 9, 2017 at 1:46 pm
YITW, what's Betty Bowers like in the sack? Is she as freaky as I think she is? Do you have any um...er...... unpublished images?
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 10, 2017 at 3:18 am
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(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Circumstances change the application of objective morality. With changing circumstances, we are more in need of Guidance from God and a Guide from him, because we can apply moral laws totally wrong from the past or we can lose foresight of a wisdom of a law that is meant to apply in our circumstances.
There is no doubt a need of that navigator and leader that steers the just city (or world) on course if we are ever going to establish justice.
Are you saying that without god and religion you would run amok?
When religious people talk of morality based on religion my guess is that they're talking that rewards and punishments make behavior moral. But let me introduce you to psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development: reward-and-punishment thinking is the lowest stage, far below reflective or principled behavior. I do recommend you to read his books.
Even worse for the Theist, over two thousand years ago it had already been shown by Plato that the moral argument for god(s) was flawed. It went like this: is an action good and just and honorable because the god(s) ordain or prefer it, or is it ordained or preferred by the god(s) because it is good and just and honorable? If the former, then morality is arbitrary, since whatever the god(s) would ordain or prefer would be accepted as moral by humans, even if that included killing (as it often did in the Old Testament and often does today in practice). If the latter, then certain actions are 'naturally' or 'objectively' good and just and honorable, and therefore deity itself is bound by this 'natural morality' and subject to it, not the author of it, and humans by their own efforts and reason could arrive at this objective morality without the aid of god(s).
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 10, 2017 at 5:08 am
(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Circumstances change the application of objective morality. With changing circumstances, we are more in need of Guidance from God and a Guide from him, because we can apply moral laws totally wrong from the past or we can lose foresight of a wisdom of a law that is meant to apply in our circumstances.
There is no doubt a need of that navigator and leader that steers the just city (or world) on course if we are ever going to establish justice.
Wrong. Your argument is full of shit.
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 10, 2017 at 7:16 am
(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Circumstances change the application of objective morality. With changing circumstances, we are more in need of Guidance from God and a Guide from him, because we can apply moral laws totally wrong from the past or we can lose foresight of a wisdom of a law that is meant to apply in our circumstances.
There is no doubt a need of that navigator and leader that steers the just city (or world) on course if we are ever going to establish justice.
What terrible logic. You are basically begging the question that there is a divine moral leader. And you're disregarding Occam's razor here.
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 11, 2017 at 10:30 am
(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Circumstances change the application of objective morality. With changing circumstances, we are more in need of Guidance from God and a Guide from him, because we can apply moral laws totally wrong from the past or we can lose foresight of a wisdom of a law that is meant to apply in our circumstances.
There is no doubt a need of that navigator and leader that steers the just city (or world) on course if we are ever going to establish justice.
Fuck off.
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 11, 2017 at 12:45 pm
In b4 the flame war:
Play nice or play outside.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 11, 2017 at 1:18 pm
(April 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Circumstances change the application of objective morality. With changing circumstances, we are more in need of Guidance from God and a Guide from him, because we can apply moral laws totally wrong from the past or we can lose foresight of a wisdom of a law that is meant to apply in our circumstances.
There is no doubt a need of that navigator and leader that steers the just city (or world) on course if we are ever going to establish justice. Why do I have this feeling you're just trolling at this point..
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 11, 2017 at 2:15 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Cyberman Wrote: In b4 the flame war:
Play nice or play outside.
Aww mum.
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RE: True Christian (TM) Answers Your Questions
April 11, 2017 at 2:22 pm
What happened to you MK? Honestly, your posts used to have substance and I used to enjoy reading them. Now, all you do is try to push some kind of god on this forum. It's getting old.
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