The SS officer corps matched the general German demographics to 97%. This included religious belief. So Christians did the Holocaust.
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Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
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RE: Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
April 11, 2017 at 9:07 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 9:14 pm by Simon Moon.)
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. RE: Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
April 11, 2017 at 9:07 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 9:28 pm by Isis.)
RE: Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
April 11, 2017 at 9:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 9:14 pm by Simon Moon.)
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. RE: Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
April 11, 2017 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 9:15 pm by AceBoogie.)
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love. Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll RE: Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian
April 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm by Alex K.)
- that he opposed Atheism is not really showing that he was a Christian. More like a convenient way to get the masses behind him to eliminate communists, intellectuals.
- that he claimed to do God's work doesn't automatically make him a Christian either. He appeared to have some weird mythology and belief in divine providence... In the end he said what he said for all kinds of reasons, I'm doubtful he deserves the label Christian. This is complicated by the fact that it is far from easy to nail down exactly what one needs to be to count as a Christian. But more to the point, I also don't worry much about it because it is just a label and its use does not serve to elucidate anything. Quite the opposite, by slapping that category or label on someone and then arguing from that, one always makes an argument less clear and precise. If your argument needs such a blunt generalization to work, it's probably not very good. It's a bit like arguments about evolution that hinge on Archaeopteryx being a bird or not. You need to argue based on the details, not based on some label.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Yes, there are arguement a for both points of view, and we can't just pick only the ones that suite us. My opinion is based on, that the. Oreprivate and personal accounts seem to point against.
And I agree with you, it doesn't effect Christianity either way.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther (April 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm)Alex K Wrote: - that he opposed Atheism is not really showing that he was a Christian. More like a convenient way to get the masses behind him to eliminate communists, intellectuals. 1. This does show that he was more than likely not an atheist. 2. True, but coupled with the fact that most Germans at this time were Christian doesn't do much to steer us away from thinking that he was the same. We can't really debate why when we don't really know why. Plenty of people debate that Hitler didn't actually harbor any hatred towards Jews, this doesn't change the fact that he ordered the killing of about 6 million of them. Above all else, the requirement for being a christian is belief in god and Jesus Christ. Whether or not he was a good Christian is far more debatable. I agree it doesn't really matter either way.. but christians denial of the facts comes off as desperate and childish.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love. Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
I don't think it matters if he was a Christian or not.
I don't necesserily think he was, based on his private conversations, his possible interest in Nietzche and Darwin. Plus another aspect I've mentioned before talking about this subject, his drug intake at certain points in his life. He probably had times where he believed he was god, was doing gods work, there was no god and everything is futile, all in the same day. His main goal, which I don't really question much, seems to be the importance of the power of the state above all else. Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them. Impersonation is treason. |
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