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How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
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(April 12, 2017 at 8:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: What contradictory ideas are there between the Bible and Christianity being a peaceful religion? If you are going to go with the conquest of Canaan, do you even believe that that happened (ironically, most atheists are skeptical or even adamant that it did not happen)? The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc. So your question is really, could the God described in the rest of the 99% of the Bible have issued those commands? What if we cannot reconcile the 1% to the other 99% description? At most it's a question of inerrancy (of at least the book of Joshua-which was written some 600 years after the events that it describes)?

Really? You're really going to start your argument saying that the god of the OT is one of love? seriously? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself on that.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.

It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.

Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll


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#12
RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
Quote:If you are going to go with the conquest of Canaan, do you even believe that that happened

Of course it did not happen.  But that begs the question "what kind of miserable sons-of-bitches would invent such a story?" 

And equally, why are you jesus freaks so eager to adopt such genocidal nonsense into your allegedly "holy" book?
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#13
RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
Tracking down all the verses I know of in the Quran; the violent verses were justified. 

Seeing the picture of an obese person who ate until he got diabties, and the picture of a child dying from hunger with vultures waiting for his death to pick his bones; is one example.

Another example is this:

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Sorry, but hell is quite justified.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
(April 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm)AceBoogie Wrote:
(April 12, 2017 at 8:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: What contradictory ideas are there between the Bible and Christianity being a peaceful religion? If you are going to go with the conquest of Canaan, do you even believe that that happened (ironically, most atheists are skeptical or even adamant that it did not happen)? The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc. So your question is really, could the God described in the rest of the 99% of the Bible have issued those commands? What if we cannot reconcile the 1% to the other 99% description? At most it's a question of inerrancy (of at least the book of Joshua-which was written some 600 years after the events that it describes)?

Really? You're really going to start your argument saying that the god of the OT is one of love? seriously? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself on that.

I listed four attributes. I would add Holy and sovereign. A study on the attributes of God would reveal how these are balanced with each other. For example, Holiness and justice have to be balanced with love and compassion.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
(April 13, 2017 at 8:29 am)SteveII Wrote:
(April 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Really? You're really going to start your argument saying that the god of the OT is one of love? seriously? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself on that.

I listed four attributes. I would add Holy and sovereign. A study on the attributes of God would reveal how these are balanced with each other. For example, Holiness and justice have to be balanced with love and compassion.

So when god of the Old Testament not only condoned but commanded and committed the killing of innocents where did he balanced it with love? For instance he killed Canaanites but since he loved the Israelites it's balanced? Just to remind you the Israelites (so the bible says) practiced God ordained infanticide, genocide, kidnapping, slavery, and rape. They killed thousands of animals in religious rituals. They treated their wives and daughters as disposable property. They proudly executed interracial couples, homosexuals, heretics, nonbelievers, and the disobedient.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
(April 12, 2017 at 8:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc.

No, my question is what kind of mental block do you have to have to utter such nonsense?  Are you sure you're not related to Trump?

(April 13, 2017 at 8:29 am)SteveII Wrote:
(April 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Really? You're really going to start your argument saying that the god of the OT is one of love? seriously? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself on that.

I listed four attributes. I would add Holy and sovereign. A study on the attributes of God would reveal how these are balanced with each other. For example, Holiness and justice have to be balanced with love and compassion.

Why do they have to be balanced?  Is that in the bible also?
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
SteveII Wrote:
AceBoogie Wrote:For Christians, Muslims, Jews, anyone really...

How do you guys feel about the violent/hateful verses in the Torah, Quran and Bible?

How do you reconcile these contradicting ideas? That Christanity/Islam/Judiasm is peaceful, yet their scriptures contain verses that would make even the most violent sociopath cringe a bit....?

What contradictory ideas are there between the Bible and Christianity being a peaceful religion? If you are going to go with the conquest of Canaan, do you even believe that that happened (ironically, most atheists are skeptical or even adamant that it did not happen)? The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc. So your question is really, could the God described in the rest of the 99% of the Bible have issued those commands? What if we cannot reconcile the 1% to the other 99% description? At most it's a question of inerrancy (of at least the book of Joshua-which was written some 600 years after the events that it describes)?

My opinion of the Hebrews improved greatly once I realized how unlikely it is that they actually did many of the horrible things they claimed to have done. However, I have the convenience of not being married to the idea that any particular part of the Bible is true if there isn't corroborating evidence to support it.

I have the same convenience with Jesus. Since as depicted he seems to have multiple personalities, I can appreciate the parts that make sense to me and reasonably assume the rest is due to inconsistency in the legend or by the writers.

I quite like the parable of the Good Samaritan. Whoever came up with it, whether an apocalyptic rabbi named Yeshua who got into trouble with the Romans, or if it was someone else and it just got attributed to Jesus, that person was probably pretty decent and had something to contribute to the field of ethics. The parable on appropriate degrees of beating for slaves, whoever actually came up with it, not so much. If it was the same person, their work was very uneven.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
(April 13, 2017 at 9:23 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(April 12, 2017 at 8:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: The God described in the vast majority of the OT is one of love, compassion, patience, justice, etc.

No, my question is what kind of mental block do you have to have to utter such nonsense?  Are you sure you're not related to Trump?
Yeah, it really begs the question of what is the point defending someone so awful as god in the Bible? I mean there really is nothing so awful and low that this character didn't do. He literally commanded people to sacrifice their first born sons after 8 days to him - I mean how low and monstrous can you get than that? And yet we, the non-believers, to them are evil and deceiving and unreasonable and apparently "close minded".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
2 oz of love always trumps 1 oz of murder.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
(April 13, 2017 at 8:29 am)SteveII Wrote: I listed four attributes. I would add Holy and sovereign. A study on the attributes of God would reveal how these are balanced with each other. For example, Holiness and justice have to be balanced with love and compassion.

lol Noah's Ark.

Your move.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.

It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.

Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll


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