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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 15, 2017 at 6:57 pm
(April 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm)Omnibus E Plrus Nhilist Wrote: (April 14, 2017 at 1:05 pm)SteveII Wrote: No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.
Jesus, arguing with this guy is like trying to force water to ignore gravity and go up hill. He has his mind made up you are not going to change it.
He has told you that "...one of his (God's) attributes is that he is morally perfect." so anything he does or causes is by definition good, acceptable, "necessarily so". You can't argue with that kind of "logic". It just proves that Gods love requires him to kill, mutilate, and direct others to do the same. Kill them all, do not let any human, regardless of age or physical condition, live, that'll show them how much I love them (an odd sort of love it seems to me). Yeah, I kind of figured out I wasn't going to change his mind about anything.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 15, 2017 at 7:04 pm
you cannot reconcile a religion such as the abrahamic ones.
the truth is the only reason why christianity survived in the US
it was forced to change into a peaceful religion due in part to secular
not christian values. Then you look at Africa parts of africa you can
get away with murder in broad day light, kill a gay, kill a child,
and all you have to say is muh religion and get away with it.
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April 15, 2017 at 7:23 pm
OP title: With judicious of AK47's supplied by godless commies.
Bang, bang, plop. It's ok, that was one of Huggy's false christians.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 17, 2017 at 1:31 am
(April 14, 2017 at 1:05 pm)SteveII Wrote: (April 14, 2017 at 11:53 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."
No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.
You literally just repeated what Industrial Lad said, in different words.
1. God always does the right thing
2. Because god is morally perfect
3. Because being morally perfect is an attribute of god
4. Therefore he always does the right thing
This is circular reasoning.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 17, 2017 at 8:24 am
(April 15, 2017 at 5:13 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: (April 14, 2017 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote: Do you have examples of accepted "bad" behavior? What do you mean?
can you show me an example of the three main religions:
Quote: That Christanity/Islam/Judiasm is peaceful, yet their scriptures contain verses that would make even the most violent sociopath cringe a bit....?
Can you give me an example of one of those verses from each religion
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?
April 17, 2017 at 9:11 am
Like this for Christianity ?
And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 28, 2017 at 12:14 am
(April 13, 2017 at 5:00 pm)SteveII Wrote: (April 13, 2017 at 4:29 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Fixed that for you.
Setting aside that you used the word genocide wrong, you think people whose "thoughts and hearts were evil all the time" should be put in time-out? Are you saying that God was not justified in wiping the slate clean? On what do you base that?
But he didn't "wipe the slate clean" did he? No sooner were Noah's family back on dry land than some peculiar incident took place which resulted in Noah cursing one of his own sons and all their future descendants. Not behaviour you'd expect in the "perfect" family that had just witnessed the destruction of every living soul on earth. And I've never understood what was wrong with the families of Noah's daughters in law, or his own wife. After all, the ladies themselves were obviously good enough to be chosen as their wives in the first place, and good enough to get a ticket on the ark, but apparently their entire families were just as evil as everyone else. It does my head in how anyone can believe this story actually happened as written. It really is tripe.
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RE: How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahami...
April 28, 2017 at 1:46 pm
(April 15, 2017 at 7:04 pm)dyresand Wrote: you cannot reconcile a religion such as the abrahamic ones.
the truth is the only reason why christianity survived in the US
it was forced to change into a peaceful religion due in part to secular
not christian values. Then you look at Africa parts of africa you can
get away with murder in broad day light, kill a gay, kill a child,
and all you have to say is muh religion and get away with it.
So we're going to throw Africa under the bus? America has been killing people in broad daylight for hundreds of years, so please spare me.
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