How do religious folks reconcile violent concepts in "peaceful" Abrahamic religions?

[The Industrial Atheist]

Al Qaeda used a similar argument to justify Muslim casualties. I doubt that peoples far away from the Jews knew anything about Yahweh. But what I meant is-Wouldn't it be better to make personal appearances to these peoples before things got so bad rather than just let things go to pot and then kill everyone? Wouldn't that be the more moral solution for a being that can see the future?

The Muslim example does not apply. This is a decision God made (with the benefit of omniscience) and God carried out. 

God would be aware of the counterfactuals of appearing to them and entreating them to turn from their wicked ways. It appears wiping them all out and starting with a new generation that would honor God was the most moral thing to do. If God weighs all the future lives, doing nothing would result in far far more people in Hell, perhaps an intervention would reduce that number, but again, eternal perspective.

So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."

[Harry Nevis]

Al Qaeda used a similar argument to justify Muslim casualties. I doubt that peoples far away from the Jews knew anything about Yahweh. But what I meant is-Wouldn't it be better to make personal appearances to these peoples before things got so bad rather than just let things go to pot and then kill everyone? Wouldn't that be the more moral solution for a being that can see the future?

The Muslim example does not apply. This is a decision God made (with the benefit of omniscience) and God carried out. 

God would be aware of the counterfactuals of appearing to them and entreating them to turn from their wicked ways. It appears wiping them all out and starting with a new generation that would honor God was the most moral thing to do. If God weighs all the future lives, doing nothing would result in far far more people in Hell, perhaps an intervention would reduce that number, but again, eternal perspective.

So he"s omniscient, and knew that everyone would become evil and have to be killed.  The morality just brings tears to your eyes, don't it?

[The Industrial Atheist]

The Muslim example does not apply. This is a decision God made (with the benefit of omniscience) and God carried out. 

God would be aware of the counterfactuals of appearing to them and entreating them to turn from their wicked ways. It appears wiping them all out and starting with a new generation that would honor God was the most moral thing to do. If God weighs all the future lives, doing nothing would result in far far more people in Hell, perhaps an intervention would reduce that number, but again, eternal perspective.

So he"s omniscient, and knew that everyone would become evil and have to be killed.  The morality just brings tears to your eyes, don't it?

Doesn't that mess with free will?

[Harry Nevis]

So he"s omniscient, and knew that everyone would become evil and have to be killed.  The morality just brings tears to your eyes, don't it?

Doesn't that mess with free will?

What free will?

[SteveII]

The Muslim example does not apply. This is a decision God made (with the benefit of omniscience) and God carried out. 

God would be aware of the counterfactuals of appearing to them and entreating them to turn from their wicked ways. It appears wiping them all out and starting with a new generation that would honor God was the most moral thing to do. If God weighs all the future lives, doing nothing would result in far far more people in Hell, perhaps an intervention would reduce that number, but again, eternal perspective.

So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."

No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.

[Harry Nevis]

So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."

No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.

But claiming you know he is morally perfect is basically the same thing.

[The Industrial Atheist]

So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."

No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.

If you want to think a being that sanctions slavery and kills infants and children is morally perfect because he is perfect by definition, fine for you.

I believe you are what you do.

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[Fake Messiah]

Is death a punishment when you are talking about an immortal soul? In fact, it was a gift that God gave the innocent that they did not grow up and become like their parents and risk the permanent separation from God. God always has the eternal perspective in mind. 

How do you know they did not know of him? Noah certainly did.

So you see death as a good solution for others, but what about yourself? I mean if death is such a blessing because you get to be with god, do you wish you were now terminally ill and had like a week to live? I mean wouldn't that make you lucky considering that you are in a right religion and you could do all the right things to secure you get to god?

[AceBoogie]

For Christians, Muslims, Jews, anyone really...

How do you guys feel about the violent/hateful verses in the Torah, Quran and Bible?

How do you reconcile these contradicting ideas? That Christanity/Islam/Judiasm is peaceful, yet their scriptures contain verses that would make even the most violent sociopath cringe a bit....?

Do you have examples of accepted "bad" behavior?

What do you mean?

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

So basically god did the right thing because he always does the right thing because he's god. Like Li'l Bush. "Circular reasoning. Means it works."

No, God does the right thing because one of his attributes is that he is morally perfect. Being an attribute of God, there is no choice to be made (it is necessarily so), so no circular reasoning or Euthyphro dilemma.

Jesus, arguing with this guy is like trying to force water to ignore gravity and go up hill. He has his mind made up you are not going to change it.

He has told you that "...one of his (God's) attributes is that he is morally perfect." so anything he does or causes is by definition good, acceptable, "necessarily so". You can't argue with that kind of "logic". It just proves that Gods love requires him to kill, mutilate, and direct others to do the same. Kill them all, do not let any human, regardless of age or physical condition, live, that'll show them how much I love them (an odd sort of love it seems to me).