are there different versions of the 10 commandments ?

[Minimalist]

Dripshit has never actually read the fucking thing, it seems.

[Harry Nevis]

I'm surprised that Mr. super christian Drich doesn't know that the "ten" commandments are mentioned in different versions within the old testament. Never underestimate the blatant ignorance of even the most bible-thumping Christians about their own religion...

I'm not.

[Drich]

Hitchens is right.  Dripshit, as usual, does not know his ass from his elbow.

http://undergod.procon.org/view.resource...eID=000824

The 10 Commandments appear in three places in the Bible: in Exodus, chapter 20, in Exodus, chapter 34 and in Deuteronomy, chapter 5:
 

I suppose if you care enough you can look them up.  Personally, I don't.

did you even read the info on your link?

Exodus 20 are the commandments

Exodus 34 is the covenant. God declares if the Jews do this... they get that. Covenant and a commandment are not the same things. Covenant= promise commandment is a declaration to do or not do.

Deu 5 is a detailed reading of the 10 commandment with an attempt to close the "loop holes" the jews were seeking to exploit. Read deu 3 and 4. After receiving the 10 commandments and the covenant, the jews sought to find ways to abuse the law, so moses went though the commands they were abusing and added a few dozen inclusions/provision for the law. Like you shall not make any graven eimages of your lord God.. That wasn't good enough for the jews as they were making idols out of other things and worshiping them. So then moses goes back and gives a popular list of things being made. like wise with coveting He had to make a list, because the first version did not include said list. The jews

the four versions of the OT does not have anything to do with Moses being a revisionist. In order for Hitch's claim to be true Moses would have had to have 4 different version of the 10 commandments. Moses has one list of commands. God then provided a covenant based on this list. Then Moses saw his people were legalists "the law does not say this specifically" so Moses closed the loop holes on his list by including the things the jews were 'loop holeing'

Then you got your graph which has two different version of how Christians read the 10 commandments in opposition to how the jews and the muslims read them...

How does any of that make moses a revisionist??? it doesn't unless you are referring to the hitch's "no school" argument that Moses compiled Judaism out of 1/2 dozen defunct religions.

[Minimalist]

Pull your head out of your ass, Dripshit.

No one listens to you.

And for the record, the version that does make it into Ex 34 is not the one that you protestant fucktards jerk off with.



Nothing in there about "goats."

Poor Dripshit  Your god always lets you down, doesn't he?

[Drich]

Pull your head out of your ass, Dripshit.

No one listens to you.

And for the record, the version that does make it into Ex 34 is not the one that you protestant fucktards jerk off with.



Nothing in there about "goats."

Poor Dripshit  Your god always lets you down, doesn't he?

Exodus 34: (The covenant of God)
10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.
17 “Do not make any idols.
18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.
25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.
“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Get it???

This is not a list of the 10 commandments This is a covenant who contains some of the commandments and adds other stipulations!

This is God 'selling' his will to the people. Do this (Which includes the 10 commandments) and you will get this in return.

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How does it feel to have one of your greatest atheistic mind crumble before the first verse.. meaning How stupid is hitch for calling this a revision of the 10 commandments when clearly in the first line God Himself identifies what follows to be a covenant???

[vorlon13]

My personal favorite 10 Commandment thingy comes straight from Jesus Himself:


Defraud not.

[Drich]

I'm surprised that Mr. super christian Drich doesn't know that the "ten" commandments are mentioned in different versions within the old testament. Never underestimate the blatant ignorance of even the most bible-thumping Christians about their own religion...

That is because there aren't 4 versions.

Technically you have the hand written version by God.
You have the Covenant which partially includes the 10 commandment.

Then you have an expounded version Moses did in deu5 because the Jews were legalistically/wrongly reading the law.

Then there is the catholic version.

This sloppy list of examples of list that contain the phrase thou "shalt not" 4 different places through out the bible, does not make Moses a revisionist.

[brewer]

[edit]

Deu 5 is a detailed reading of the 10 commandment with an attempt to close the "loop holes" the jews were seeking to exploit.

[edit]

This is just to good. An all knowing god made his own commandments with "loop holes" that were exploitable. By puny humans. If this does not scream "man made law" I don't know what does.

[Rev. Rye]

Exodus 34: (The covenant of God)
10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.
17 “Do not make any idols.
18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.
25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.
“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Get it???

This is not a list of the 10 commandments This is a covenant who contains some of the commandments and adds other stipulations!

This is God 'selling' his will to the people. Do this (Which includes the 10 commandments) and you will get this in return.

---

How does it feel to have one of your greatest atheistic mind crumble before the first verse.. meaning How stupid is hitch for calling this a revision of the 10 commandments when clearly in the first line God Himself identifies what follows to be a covenant???

I can't help but notice verse 28 actually calls it "The Ten Commandments", but that neither the versions in Exodus 20 and Deutoronomy 5 are called "The Ten Commandments." They are called commandments (and Jewish tradition states that Jahweh gave Moses a total of 613, all of which appear in the Torah [the first five books], which is why simply being called commandments is not enough), and can easily be grouped into groups of ten, but, despite the fact that the Israelites latched onto the other set, they are never called the Ten Commandments in the actual Torah. Meanwhile, the version in Exodus 34, the less familiar one, actually is called "The Ten Commandments." See for youself.

You will notice that I decided to play your "large letters with bold text" game with that specific passage. I just wanted to make sure you weren't missing anything this time around, like you did when you posted it just now. And just so you decided to miss the connection, I added some italics that connect the covenant with the Ten Commandments.

Knowing you, I can't expect it will sink in, since you've clearly spent so much time focusing on those two, but you can't say I didn't explain exactly why I don't buy your claim.

[vorlon13]

Gathering sticks on Sabbath, wearing mixed fabric clothing, and planting 2 (or more) kinds of seed could get somebody killed.

Probably for the best to consider all 600+ rules in Leviticus to be fucking Commandments.