are there different versions of the 10 commandments ?

[Drich]

uh . . .  .


wut ?

Evidently Drich has an absurdly strict definition of "commandment." Apparently, if God promises something in return for following specific rules he lays out, it's a covenant, not a Commandment.

Agai if you go just to the beginning of the chpter God identifies what follows as a covenant. Not me. The difference is the trade. God is trading behavior for different things,victories, wealth, long life ect. commandment are simly a list of do's and dont's God directly gave to the people.

He didn't explain why a covenant cannot contain commandments, especially given that a commandment is by definition "a divine rule". Presumably, by the exact logic he gives forth, the commandment to honor one's parents isn't a commandment because God promises a long life to those who follow it: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you." (Ex. 20:12)

They can absolutely contain commandments, but that is not the OP's argument is it? The video claim that the commandments in chapter 34 are a revision of chapter 20. If you read the whole of chapter 34 you will note some commandment but someother points of mosaic law as well. coupled with a series of promises. again what disqualifies these as commandments is the promise or Trade God is willing to do if one follows what He said do.

When again chapter 20 was a list of commandments and

And somehow, the other 603 rules He gave Moses don't count, either, because shut up.

No I pointed out in chapter 21 the jews at the base of the moutain were so scared by hearing the voice and see the presence of God in a decended cloud next to moses they nearly all went nuts. So God stopped at 10, and gave moses the rest personally.

10 commandments directly from God the rest are considered mosaic law. It is said moses fought for certain points in the law. while the commandments are unbending.

(point all of this out before)

And, for the record, I'm going to try and parse Exodus 34:27-8 for his benefit. It should be a pretty straightforward walkthrough:
Verse 27:

• Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, The previous verses.
  
• for in accordance with these words See above.
  
• I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”  Yes, Moses does use the word covenant. For the purpose of this discussion, you seem to have drawn a strong line between "Covenant" and "Commandments" for the purpose of saying "Yes! The Bible really does support the Tradition after all!" even though it clearly doesn't.
  

Verse 28:

• Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he ate no bread and drank no water. Not going to bother with this clause here, it's irrelevant to the argument.
  
•  And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Notice: The words of the covenant, which would seem to be connected to the list just mentioned that was specifically referred to as "a covenant" are explicitly connected to the term "The Ten Commandments." 
  

Seriously, it should be a very straightforward verse to understand.[/quote] Seriously??? Then why are their more than 10 points covered in the covenant if they were indeed ment to be the new 10 commandments? To put it another way how do 15 commandment then turn into 10 espically when there are realy 20 new points of law being covered? Should it then be the 20 commandments? Or maybe is there 20 points of the covneant and still yet the 10 commandments?

Even the Amplified Bible eschews its trademark parenthetical explanations, synonyms, and references because the original text is, in this case, pretty straightforward. Contrary to tradition, The Ten Commandments, according to the book of Exodus, are not the classic list of Exodus 20, but the list of ten rules given in Exodus 34. And it's not like it's something that you can connect with some faulty manuscript: the vast majority of translations will use the term "Ten Commandments" to refer to the list in Exodus 34, and not a single one has ever used it (in the text, as opposed to chapter headings) to refer to the list in Exodus 20.

what a moron...

So the 10 commandments in exodus 34 are the ten commandment even though God identifies them as the covenant to Israel? how about no. how about there are 15 to 20 new commandments in chapter 34 that make up the covenant. then the original 10?
Let me break it down for you so since you seem hell bent on not reading what actually refutes your "10 commandment" revision.

1 No treatys with the people of the lands you concoure
2break down their alters
3Do not worship anther God call Jealous
4No foods eaten offered to their idols
4a stay away from their daughters/whores cause thy sons to whore
5No idols
6celibrate the feast of unleavened bread
7santifiy the first born
8no one is to appear empty handed before God
9honor the sabbath
10Honor the festival of weeks 10a feast of first fruit 10b ingathering's feast.
11all men gather appear before God 3x a year
12Do not offer blood with yeast
13Passover food rules
14 offer first fruits
15 do not cook a calf in mother milk
15a And the Lord said unto Moses, “Write thou these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.”

There are really 18 to 20 seperate commands here, (hence 4a, 10a, 10b) but 15 different subject being 'commanded upon' So then sport how is this 10??? when you are truthfully looking at 20+ commandments? Or as point 15 A says: are the 20 points ARE the Covennant God made with Israel.

Each one of those had a benfit or promise God made or it was a warning that would make israel weak. Not commandments, sport Not even ten. But the 10 are then included

And now I simply have to ask: If Exodus 20 is the only true list of the Ten Commandments, why did Exodus 20 not call its list of ten rules "The Ten Commandments" but Exodus 34 calls its own list "The Ten Commandments?"

28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, and the Ten Commandments.

Actually Exo identifies both covenant and the ten commandments. As the list in exo contain more that 20 points of the law/covenant then it is obvious it does not refer to the list in exo 34 as being the 10 commandments, so then we must simply look back to exo 20 to find the original 10 commandments.

Again as I pointed out several times now simply read chapter 19 and the rest of 20to find out why chapter 20 list contains the 10 commandments.

[Rev. Rye]

It's also worth noting that, strictly speaking, even the list in Exodus 20 doesn't actually break down into 10 commandments, either.

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
   
2. Thou shalt have no other gods before me
   
3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
   
4. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
   
5. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
   
6. Honour thy father and thy mother
   
7. Thou shalt not kill
   
8. Thou shalt not commit adultery
   
9. Thou shalt not steal
   
10. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
    
11. Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's house)
    
12. Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's wife)
    
13. Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's servants, animals, or anything else)
    

You will notice that the list in Exodus 20, as parsed above, contains more than ten commandments as well. While "I am the Lord thy God" doesn't seem like much of a commandment, it is counted as such in the Talmud. It's all in the way certain authorities parse it. If merging of separate commandments eliminates Exodus 34, so does Exodus 20.

And yes, I did re-read Exodus 19, and it does not use the term "Ten commandments" either. Indeed, neither word appears in the chapter, and the term "commanded" only appears with the word "And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him." The speech God commanded Moses give to the Israelites does appear to refer to the list in Exodus 20, but, it actually uses the term 'covenant', which, by the very standards you introduced, would seem to put it in the same category as Exodus 34, which you reject.

And I read Exodus 19 in several different translations, so it would seem that I must be missing something. Where does Exodus 19-20 state that that chapter is the Ten Commandments and not Exodus 34? I figure that since you brought this point up, I would ask you to explain where it does so since it must have escaped not only me, but virtually every Biblical translator. And no, I will not count editorial headings added by translators after the fact as scriptural proof.

After all, if you really want to explain that:

• Scripture does indeed call the list in Exodus 20:3-17 the Ten Commandments
  
• The fact that the term is used just after another list of commandments in Exodus 34, but not before then, is merely a coincidence
  
• The reason Exodus 20:3-17 is The Ten Commandments is because of scriptural authority and not simply tradition that caught on because the rules there were a lot more understandable as rules in 20 than 34.
  

You're going to have to do a lot better job than you've been doing.