The Truth about Vaccines:A quick refutation

[Whateverist]

I have a completely unfounded theory about the rise in ALL non communicable diseases such as asthma.

It is caused by vaccines!!  lol. But not directly.  And all modern medicine really.  

You see, people that would normally die and not pass on their genes, are now living to pass on their genes.  I'm not saying this is either good or bad, just that it is a cause. (Not even THE cause, just one of the causes, though I think it's a pretty massive one).

My little brother had childhood arthritis, to the point that he could barely walk, his knees swelled up like footballs.  I personally suffered from a mental issue that in the past would have probably landed me in a mental hospital where I would have probably been tormented and kept until I died. Am I glad modern medicine kept my brother healthier and alive?  Yes. Am I glad it helped me overcome my mental issue instead of just locking me away? Absolutely! So I guess I am taking a side.  All the same, these things have consequences in the long run.  wE are now free to pass along these issues to our offspring, instead of the harsh world culling us out of the population, as it has done for most of human history.

Yep modern medicine has enabled me too, woo hoo and ah well - there goes the gene pool.  I agree with you.  But I don't think vaccines directly cause diseases in people without genetic and environmental reasons for acquiring those diseases, and I think you agree with that too.

[Catholic_Lady]

The question is, do autistic people just happen to have methylation issues, or do methylation issues make someone more prone to developing autism? My opinion is the latter. We already suspect that toxins during pregnancy increases the baby's chance of developing autism. Also, babies conceived during the winter months are more likely to be autistic - a possible link to vitamin D deficiency in the mom at time of conception. Though as far as I know, Vitamin D doesn't play a role in methylation specifically, but it does play a role in the immune system. Immune system also helps our bodies deal with toxins.

[GrandizerII]

My son is still being assessed by doctors, psychiatrists, etc, because it is highly likely he is somewhere in the spectrum. I have lost so many nights of sleep due to his sensory overloads. I have been stared at by judgy parents and non-parents when someone touches his face to say he's cute and he has a meltdown. I have had to establish a routine for us and the lawrd be with us when we break it. I have had to learn how to be a parent specifically to this child of mine, because all my "wisdom" from parenting the first helped for nothing.

I don't believe vaccines cause autism, but let's suppose they do. Both my kids are up to date with their vaccinations. If it were proven that vaccines cause autism, would I vaccinate my kids and just take that risk? YES. Even with all I know from what we have gone through, I would do it again for my baby. Why? Because I LOVE him and rather have him alive and well in the spectrum than dead from a preventable disease.

Any idiots want to keep their kids unvaccinated, fine. Keep em away from the rest of the kids who aren't old enough to have all their vaccines yet.

I get people wanting to touch your child's face because he's so cute and all, but it doesn't mean they should impulsively act on such desire. This is your child at the end of the day, and they shouldn't just go touch his face without your consent. To me, it comes off as a little inconsiderate. Would they go spontaneously touch an adult's face without their consent? I doubt it.

And yes, some posters here may give me hell for saying this, but whatever.

[Catholic_Lady]

My son is still being assessed by doctors, psychiatrists, etc, because it is highly likely he is somewhere in the spectrum. I have lost so many nights of sleep due to his sensory overloads. I have been stared at by judgy parents and non-parents when someone touches his face to say he's cute and he has a meltdown. I have had to establish a routine for us and the lawrd be with us when we break it. I have had to learn how to be a parent specifically to this child of mine, because all my "wisdom" from parenting the first helped for nothing.

I don't believe vaccines cause autism, but let's suppose they do. Both my kids are up to date with their vaccinations. If it were proven that vaccines cause autism, would I vaccinate my kids and just take that risk? YES. Even with all I know from what we have gone through, I would do it again for my baby. Why? Because I LOVE him and rather have him alive and well in the spectrum than dead from a preventable disease.

Any idiots want to keep their kids unvaccinated, fine. Keep em away from the rest of the kids who aren't old enough to have all their vaccines yet.

I get people wanting to touch your child's face because he's so cute and all, but it doesn't mean they should impulsively act on such desire. This is your child at the end of the day, and they shouldn't just go touch his face without your consent. To me, it comes off as a little inconsiderate. Would they go spontaneously touch an adult's face without their consent? I doubt it.

And yes, some posters here may give me hell for saying this, but whatever.

It's a cultural thing sometimes I think. I live in a border town right now where it's all mexicans, and it's normal for them to touch and pick up stranger's children. The air force ppl stationed here hate it, but I don't think I'd mind it, personally.

[FatAndFaithless]

I tend to just not touch babies at all... I don't want to break them and I'm afraid they'll sick up on me.

This is literally me with babies.

[brewer]

The question is, do autistic people just happen to have methylation issues, or do methylation issues make someone more prone to developing autism? My opinion is the latter. We already suspect that toxins during pregnancy increases the baby's chance of developing autism. Also, babies conceived during the winter months are more likely to be autistic - a possible link to vitamin D deficiency in the mom at time of conception. Though as far as I know, Vitamin D doesn't play a role in methylation specifically, but it does play a role in the immune system. Immune system also helps our bodies deal with toxins.

If you like the methylation hypothesis (and based on the vid it appears to have validity) you need to go back and watch the vid you linked again. The problem is more likely that the methylation issue begins with the mom and a decreased ability of transport folate into the cell to drive production of SAM. But then you have to ask, why an increase now?

What toxin/which toxins? Just a thought, if it is toxins, why didn't the rate of autism jump in the 60's, 70's and 80's when the US was dumping toxins into the environment willy nilly? Or is this some new unidentified toxin? (which eliminates Hg and thimerosal)

Also, if a toxin, why isn't the whole brain effected? Toxins don't discriminate: http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-s...es-1.21484

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...utism-rise

[Catholic_Lady]

The question is, do autistic people just happen to have methylation issues, or do methylation issues make someone more prone to developing autism? My opinion is the latter. We already suspect that toxins during pregnancy increases the baby's chance of developing autism. Also, babies conceived during the winter months are more likely to be autistic - a possible link to vitamin D deficiency in the mom at time of conception. Though as far as I know, Vitamin D doesn't play a role in methylation specifically, but it does play a role in the immune system. Immune system also helps our bodies deal with toxins.

If you like the methylation hypothesis (and based on the vid it appears to have validity) you need to go back and watch the vid you linked again. The problem is more likely that the methylation issue begins with the mom and a decreased ability of transport folate into the cell to drive production of SAM. But then you have to ask, why an increase now?

What toxin/which toxins? Just a thought, if it is toxins, why didn't the rate of autism jump in the 60's, 70's and 80's when the US was dumping toxins into the environment willy nilly? Or is this some new unidentified toxin? (which eliminates Hg and thimerosal)

Also, if a toxin, why isn't the whole brain effected? Toxins don't discriminate: http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-s...es-1.21484

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...utism-rise

Yes, methylation issues are genetic and can be passes down. One of them being a disorder of the mthfr gene.

I don't think there's an increase in ppl with methylation issues. I think there's an increase in toxicity in our environment that make the ppl with methylation issues more susceptible than ever, since they have a decreased ability to properly detoxify.

As for what is toxic, I don't think anyone can say exactly which ones they all are yet. Obviously smoking, drinking, and drugs can be included in that group. Heavy metals, Herbecides, pesticides, bpa, bleach and other cleaning supplies, and pollution are suspected. Also, having a disease like the flu or other infections are toxic as well and can also increase the chance of autism in the baby if the mom has it while pregnant. Hence why vitamin d plays a role here, considering it's good for your immune system.

[Catholic_Lady]

The question is, do autistic people just happen to have methylation issues, or do methylation issues make someone more prone to developing autism? My opinion is the latter. We already suspect that toxins during pregnancy increases the baby's chance of developing autism. Also, babies conceived during the winter months are more likely to be autistic - a possible link to vitamin D deficiency in the mom at time of conception. Though as far as I know, Vitamin D doesn't play a role in methylation specifically, but it does play a role in the immune system. Immune system also helps our bodies deal with toxins.

If you like the methylation hypothesis (and based on the vid it appears to have validity) you need to go back and watch the vid you linked again. The problem is more likely that the methylation issue begins with the mom and a decreased ability of transport folate into the cell to drive production of SAM. But then you have to ask, why an increase now?

What toxin/which toxins? Just a thought, if it is toxins, why didn't the rate of autism jump in the 60's, 70's and 80's when the US was dumping toxins into the environment willy nilly? Or is this some new unidentified toxin? (which eliminates Hg and thimerosal)

Also, if a toxin, why isn't the whole brain effected? Toxins don't discriminate: http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-s...es-1.21484

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...utism-rise

Just read the links you posted. Very interesting. You'll notice that on WebMD they confirmed certain toxins as possible contributors to the development of autism.

[J a c k]

My son is still being assessed by doctors, psychiatrists, etc, because it is highly likely he is somewhere in the spectrum. I have lost so many nights of sleep due to his sensory overloads. I have been stared at by judgy parents and non-parents when someone touches his face to say he's cute and he has a meltdown. I have had to establish a routine for us and the lawrd be with us when we break it. I have had to learn how to be a parent specifically to this child of mine, because all my "wisdom" from parenting the first helped for nothing.

I don't believe vaccines cause autism, but let's suppose they do. Both my kids are up to date with their vaccinations. If it were proven that vaccines cause autism, would I vaccinate my kids and just take that risk? YES. Even with all I know from what we have gone through, I would do it again for my baby. Why? Because I LOVE him and rather have him alive and well in the spectrum than dead from a preventable disease.

Any idiots want to keep their kids unvaccinated, fine. Keep em away from the rest of the kids who aren't old enough to have all their vaccines yet.

I get people wanting to touch your child's face because he's so cute and all, but it doesn't mean they should impulsively act on such desire. This is your child at the end of the day, and they shouldn't just go touch his face without your consent. To me, it comes off as a little inconsiderate. Would they go spontaneously touch an adult's face without their consent? I doubt it.

And yes, some posters here may give me hell for saying this, but whatever.

Totally agree. Just like you shouldn't give a stranger's kid candy because you risk allergic reaction. My son doesn't understand social queues. If you touch him, you ruin his day. Only his close family can touch him. He's five and barely came around to letting my mom hug him. People don't think.

[Whateverist]

The question is, do autistic people just happen to have methylation issues, or do methylation issues make someone more prone to developing autism? My opinion is the latter. We already suspect that toxins during pregnancy increases the baby's chance of developing autism. Also, babies conceived during the winter months are more likely to be autistic - a possible link to vitamin D deficiency in the mom at time of conception. Though as far as I know, Vitamin D doesn't play a role in methylation specifically, but it does play a role in the immune system. Immune system also helps our bodies deal with toxins.

I'm of no use to you.  You know more about it than I do .. and for good reasons.