Do we live in a universe where theism is likely true? (video)

[WinterHold]

@Atlas

So if the Universe was different, it would be different. Mind blown.

And learn to quote properly.

Yes, if parameters differed reality would sure differ. The multiverse theory speaks about it in details.

There is no proper quoting scheme in the forum; quotes are messy and hairy by design.

[Cyberman]

Nobody else seems to have a problem with quoting properly. I wonder why...

[WinterHold]

.God is obvious; we see his work every moment we look around. But our minds are limited. We can conclude a creator, some of us did at least, but to demand seeing God is Ithe ultimate insult to the reality of our own mind. Our eyes alone cannot handle looking at the sun; so no shame at all in admitting that our eyes cannot see the creator. 

So. . . you think we cannot notice God, because there's so much of God all around us that we are overwhelmed?

Nah.  I'm overwhelmed by the existence of disease and death in infants.  I'm overwhelmed by the number of religious killings, institutional rapes and other horrors that followers of "God" perpetrate.

Exactly. Wherever we point our vision, God exists. 
As a creator of everything, he must.
Ancient Egyptians even worshiped the Dung Beetle. 
His creation can also be seen in disease and death. It reminds humanity with its weakness, and reminds us that we're not in control.
Infants born with chronic illnesses are a grim reminder that we are nothing but what our genes say, by the order of a higher deity.
Rape and murder by humans on the other hand, is an utter crime. Because it has no true meaning; no guarantees of an afterlife, and no guarantees of a judgment hour.

Cool story, bro. Where's the evidence?

We live atop of the ball filled with water.
The burning star can be seen in the morning. It's beautiful at sunrise and sunset.

So what? We are part of a system greater than ourselves, and nobody denies it. We just deny that Sky Daddy made it that way.

The system itself is too organised. The variables are so so many.
In the early universe, things weren't like this. It could've stayed like a mess. 

The existence of a creator is quite insisting, because a design cannot appear without an intelligent force behind it.

[Cyberman]

We don't live "atop" a ball filled with water.

[WinterHold]

Life cannot evolve in a universe that can't understand what life is.

The universe understands nothing, and yet life -did- evolve.  So that one's untrue on it's face.  

No.
The universe has no consciousness, but it understands.
Water understands that it should put out fire. Stars understand that it must burn its fuel.
We as humans, are great transformers of understanding to our environment; too.
What does a painting do, but extend the understanding of its painter?

No, it's not. Let evolutionary theory tell you what evolution is, not the other way round. 

If water didn't exist, mammals won't exist too.
Even Bacteria is not found in space; despite the search.

lolhow? Flip it's nonswitch with it's nonfingers? 

It's all about resources. If the universe ended; life in it will cease to exist.

Doesn't follow even if the above were true.  

...........wtf?

If you say so...

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We don't live "atop" a ball filled with water.

Consider it a synonym to "on the surface of...", eventually it's about 70% covering the whole globe.
It's unique; really, just as if we are connected to it somehow, our bodies are full of water too.

[Cyberman]

70% of the surface, maybe. The rest of this 'ball' is 'filled' with rock and iron. So water is less than 1% of the volume, and that on the outside. Hardly a ball filled with the stuff. Just admit that you spoke inaccurately. It happens; you're human.

[bennyboy]

Exactly. Wherever we point our vision, God exists. 
As a creator of everything, he must.
Ancient Egyptians even worshiped the Dung Beetle. 
His creation can also be seen in disease and death. It reminds humanity with its weakness, and reminds us that we're not in control.
Infants born with chronic illnesses are a grim reminder that we are nothing but what our genes say, by the order of a higher deity.
Rape and murder by humans on the other hand, is an utter crime. Because it has no true meaning; no guarantees of an afterlife, and no guarantees of a judgment hour.

In such a world, then God is irrelevant.

We live atop of the ball filled with water.
The burning star can be seen in the morning. It's beautiful at sunrise and sunset.

This could be evidence for God, but it is at least as good evidence for other ideas. What about these forms of evidence support the idea of God over that of not-God?

So what? We are part of a system greater than ourselves, and nobody denies it. We just deny that Sky Daddy made it that way.

The system itself is too organised. The variables are so so many.

Who says so, and on what basis are these assertions made? What does it mean for something to be organized, and why does this require God?

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The universe has no consciousness, but it understands.
Water understands that it should put out fire. Stars understand that it must burn its fuel.

You are pretty seriously abusing the meaning of the word "understands."

[RoadRunner79]

70% of the surface, maybe. The rest of this 'ball' is 'filled' with rock and iron. So water is less than 1% of the volume, and that on the outside. Hardly a ball filled with the stuff. Just admit that you spoke inaccurately. It happens; you're human.

Actually they are finding that they may be much more water under the earths surface.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/...hs-oceans/

[LostLocke]

First off, it's 3x the volume of the oceans, so we're still just looking at a whopping 4% of the total Earth's volume.
Second, it isn't liquid water like on the surface. It's water molecules trapped inside rock. If the ringwoodite's pressure drop fast enough to release the H2O molecules you'd get caustic chemicals, not pure water.

[Catholic_Lady]

I accept the big bang and evolution. But I do think things are a little too perfect to have happened entirely by themselves/by random chance.

And of course, everything that exists in our natural, physical world had to have come from somewhere. Things in our world don't make themselves from nothing, and they all have a beginning. Belief in a spiritual, supernatural world that isn't bound by the laws of our physical natural world (including the laws of time) allows for the possibility that a force that has always existed was responsible for the very first spec of "thing" that would eventually become our universe.

Anyway, that's what makes the most sense to me personally. And if you have a problem with it, you can suck my vajay.