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Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
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RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 10:08 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: Microsoft used raw material, atoms.

God used raw material "nothing". Lawrence Krauss does an okay job at explaining "nothing" in his book.

He also does an okay job at explaining how a god isn't necessary for that.

But let's entertain that "God" used nothing to make what we know as the Universe. How? By what process?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#32
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
Melissa, as we said last time, this isn't the place for you. You need to go to a Christian forum or better yet, go to your pastor. This is an atheist forum. You won't find what you're looking for here.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#33
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 4:07 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: I have been seeing too many atheists memes these later months. I wonder about myself now, and I wonder about my goals.

I saw another meme some days ago about God that I am having problems thinking about.


Statement: "Everything has a creator, and God has no creator".

I always think the above as correct.

The meme continues: "Since God has no creator, God is not a thing to be created, or no thing to be created, i.e. nothing; God is nothing".

Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!

There is no "true" this or that, there are only core positions. Interpretations very from individual to individual. 

Neither "Christian" or "Jew" or "Muslim" or "Hindu" or "Buddhist" or even "atheist" are copywrites or trademarks. If you want to know what an individual thinks on a claim, you have to ask the individual.

Having said that, it does not matter to me what you think even given this admission. If you are willing to see your own doubts and are starting to question your position, that is the important thing. 

Most humans of religion simply defend what they are familiar with and what their parents sell them. An apology is an apology regardless of religious club. 

I think you should consider that our species is much older than any written religion, other life as well existed far longer than humans. Our planet is 4 billion years old, and our species only started writing things down 10thousand years ago. Our galaxy has billions and billions of suns, and our 13.8 billion year old universe has an estimated nearly 200billion galaxies.

It would seem a lot of wast of time and space and material for an all powerful God to take all that time to create a mostly hostile universe only to wait 10,000 years ago to get to being concerned with humans, and even then wait until last century for science to really boom and expand our knowledge. 

Doubting is good. Doubting allows you to be free to question what you believe and change your position and update it when better information comes along. If our species never questioned social norms, our species never would have left the caves.
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#34
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 10:41 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Melissa, as we said last time, this isn't the place for you. You need to go to a Christian forum or better yet, go to your pastor. This is an atheist forum. You won't find what you're looking for here.

While seeking truth, going to an echo chamber isn't a good idea.
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
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#35
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 10:41 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Melissa, as we said last time, this isn't the place for you. You need to go to a Christian forum or better yet, go to your pastor. This is an atheist forum. You won't find what you're looking for here.

Cl, that is not up for you to decide, only Melissa. You stayed here so if you can stay and learn so can she. I would only say that if one is sensitive then they at a minimum should think about how staying here would affect them, but they are still free to stay, but if they do, then they have to be aware that their claims will get torn apart. 


Their Pastor has a sales pitch and that would be the only thing she would be getting there. Here she is exposed to a variety of positions, not just atheists.
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#36
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
She's here with Christian questions for christians. This is an atheist forum. She won't find what she's looking for here.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#37
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 11:56 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: She's here with Christian questions for christians. This is an atheist forum. She won't find what she's looking for here.

Perhaps. Melissa may be having reasonable doubts. This is the place for doubt.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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#38
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
It would be like you going to a forum for creationists and asking them some questions you have concerning evolution.

(May 21, 2017 at 11:59 am)chimp3 Wrote:
(May 21, 2017 at 11:56 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: She's here with Christian questions for christians. This is an atheist forum. She won't find what she's looking for here.

Perhaps. Melissa may be having reasonable doubts. This is the place for doubt.

I could be wrong, but based on the way she asked the qiestions and what shes saying, that doesnt seem like what shes here for. It seems like she's looking for genuine Christian answers from other christians.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#39
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
(May 21, 2017 at 12:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It would be like you going to a forum for creationists and asking them some questions you have concerning evolution.

(May 21, 2017 at 11:59 am)chimp3 Wrote: Perhaps. Melissa may be having reasonable doubts. This is the place for doubt.

I could be wrong, but based on the way she asked the qiestions and what shes saying, that doesnt seem like what shes here for. It seems like she's looking for genuine Christian answers from other christians.

IMHO she seems tougher than that. She bounces back like the best of them Our Lady of the Forum!
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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#40
RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
Quote:God is outside of space and time, not requiring creation.

Some would say that is merely a convenient rationalization.

But let me ask you this.  Are Osiris, Thor, Zeus, Shiva, Marduk, Ahura Mazda, Quetzlcoatl, etc., etc., "outside of space and time" too.... or is it just your special fantasy that is accorded such treatment?
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