Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!

[MellisaClarke]

You asked how could the game creators do something without a machine, and I gave you your machine.

You gave a machine, great. I'm not a Sims person but I think that program can run on many machines by many manufacturers (correct me if I'm wrong). You don't believe that the same person that wrote Sims also builds all of the computers available do you? So in your analogy now we have multiple gods. 

Also, let's say there is only one Sims programmer and one Microsoft/Xbox computer (et al, any computer system) and that entity becomes god the creator. This god should be the only entity that can effect what it has created. I think we both know that is not correct. Now there are even more gods, gods that have more power than the creator god. Where does this analogy end? The logical end point would be an ultimate god, basically your god (or jew, muslim, hindu, .......). 

We're back to square one, prove that your god exists.

Nope, answering your first paragraph above, Microsoft who builds xbox, also builds games. So, we are far ahead of the first square.

As for your second paragraph above, the rules of earth don't apply to rules of God. For eg, God used raw material of "nothingness" (Larence Krauss), while Microsoft used atoms.

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Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!

This is a funny one: Asking on an atheist forum whether you are a true Christian or not?

I have been questioning my goals wrt to my faith for some months now.
Trying to battle with myself really.

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This is a funny one: Asking on an atheist forum whether you are a true Christian or not?

Yeah I'm starting to wonder if she's a poe.

I was hoping for strong responses from theists on this atheist forum here, who I thought would have strong responses, you know, being that they are here?

[Minimalist]

They are not a particularly impressive lot.

[Cyberman]

They're generally very expressive, though.

[brewer]

Nope, answering your first paragraph above, Microsoft who builds xbox, also builds games. So, we are far ahead of the first square.

As for your second paragraph above, the rules of earth don't apply to rules of God. For eg, God used raw material of "nothingness" (Larence Krauss), while Microsoft used atoms.

Prove it or it remains a fantasy.

[Zenith]

God used raw material of "nothingness" (Larence Krauss), while Microsoft used atoms.

What kind of material is "nothingness"? How do you "construct" such a material?

I was thinking of building a house out of "nothingness", but nowhere could I find the material.

[Drich]

I have been seeing too many atheists memes these later months. I wonder about myself now, and I wonder about my goals.

I saw another meme some days ago about God that I am having problems thinking about.


Statement: "Everything has a creator, and God has no creator".

I always think the above as correct.

The meme continues: "Since God has no creator, God is not a thing to be created, or no thing to be created, i.e. nothing; God is nothing".

Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!

To "create" describes an object's beginning. Which is confined by time. Meaning the word create always and can only describe an object within the encapsulation of time. God simply existed before time. Before there were any celestial events to mark the passage of time. It is only with in the confines of time does the demand of a creator exist..

So where did God come from? IDK where did the super dense basketball of pre-big bang come from? Again before either event time there need not be a creation nor creator, as the beginning of time would make the first of anything.

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God is outside of space and time, not requiring creation.[...]

How do you know what's "outside time and space"? If god can be outside time and space - so can be an infinite number of things. There could be billions of "gods". Big Bang started "outside time and space", so by your "logic" - it  required no creator. And since our Universe came from the Big Bang - there's no need for a god/creator of the Universe.

And anybody can make up any nonsense and claim it's true, as long as it's "outside time and space". Guess what - I'm outside time and space and I don't see any god around here, so your religious beliefs must be false...

The word :INFINATE is a good clue.

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God is outside of space and time, not requiring creation.

But that's not the problem. The problem is that because God is outside of space and time, the wording from the meme does not chime with me.

If God is outside time so as to not require being created, how can it *do* anything or have thoughts or desires?

what does being outside of time mean to you? being retarded?

Imagine a dvd representing the whole of time. now imagine on that dvd you know it's contents like any favorite movie. now take the dvd outside the player and place it on the table. You are now outside the "time line" of the dvd. did you suddenly become retarded (anymore than normal I mean?) What I am asking now just because you do not live at any central point on that dvd does it mean you know any less or more of the history on that dvd?

Now to answer a couple others with the same analogy imagine on the same dvd everything had a creation or birthing point of some kind. Now if you created the DVD would your creation then also be required to be on that DVD? No As you and your origins are pre time. As I said the DVD contains all of time and if you have it then you are outside of that time line, that dimension.

[Homeless Nutter]

The word :INFINATE is a good clue.

Sure - it's a good clue, that you're a semi-illiterate moron. Thanks for your input.

[Brian37]

I have been seeing too many atheists memes these later months. I wonder about myself now, and I wonder about my goals.

I saw another meme some days ago about God that I am having problems thinking about.


Statement: "Everything has a creator, and God has no creator".

I always think the above as correct.

The meme continues: "Since God has no creator, God is not a thing to be created, or no thing to be created, i.e. nothing; God is nothing".

Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!

To "create" describes an object's beginning. Which is confined by time. Meaning the word create always and can only describe an object within the encapsulation of time. God simply existed before time. Before there were any celestial events to mark the passage of time. It is only with in the confines of time does the demand of a creator exist..

So where did God come from? IDK where did the super dense basketball of pre-big bang come from? Again before either event time there need not be a creation nor creator, as the beginning of time would make the first of anything.

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How do you know what's "outside time and space"? If god can be outside time and space - so can be an infinite number of things. There could be billions of "gods". Big Bang started "outside time and space", so by your "logic" - it  required no creator. And since our Universe came from the Big Bang - there's no need for a god/creator of the Universe.

And anybody can make up any nonsense and claim it's true, as long as it's "outside time and space". Guess what - I'm outside time and space and I don't see any god around here, so your religious beliefs must be false...

The word :INFINATE is a good clue.

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If God is outside time so as to not require being created, how can it *do* anything or have thoughts or desires?

what does being outside of time mean to you? being retarded?

Imagine a dvd representing the whole of time. now imagine on that dvd you know it's contents like any favorite movie. now take the dvd outside the player and place it on the table. You are now outside the "time line" of the dvd. did you suddenly become retarded (anymore than normal I mean?) What I am asking now just because you do not live at any central point on that dvd does it mean you know any less or more of the history on that dvd?

Now to answer a couple others with the same analogy imagine on the same dvd everything had a creation or birthing point of some kind. Now if you created the DVD would your creation then also be required to be on that DVD? No As you and your origins are pre time. As I said the DVD contains all of time and if you have it then you are outside of that time line, that dimension.

Nope sorry, when scientists use words it is a completely different context than your laperson's usage.

"Create" does not mean a magic sky wizard as a gap answer in science. "Create" in scientific terms means countless factors manifesting into an outcome. Otherwise if "poof" and "abra cadabra" required a mythical fictional hero then Thor is the cause of lightening. 

Your god belief is merely your own desire a projection of human qualities in comic book form. 

13.8 billion year old universe which has been around longer than humans. Nope sorry, not buying your fictional super hero claim.

[Drich]

To "create" describes an object's beginning. Which is confined by time. Meaning the word create always and can only describe an object within the encapsulation of time. God simply existed before time. Before there were any celestial events to mark the passage of time. It is only with in the confines of time does the demand of a creator exist..

So where did God come from? IDK where did the super dense basketball of pre-big bang come from? Again before either event time there need not be a creation nor creator, as the beginning of time would make the first of anything.

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The word :INFINATE is a good clue.

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what does being outside of time mean to you? being retarded?

Imagine a dvd representing the whole of time. now imagine on that dvd you know it's contents like any favorite movie. now take the dvd outside the player and place it on the table. You are now outside the "time line" of the dvd. did you suddenly become retarded (anymore than normal I mean?) What I am asking now just because you do not live at any central point on that dvd does it mean you know any less or more of the history on that dvd?

Now to answer a couple others with the same analogy imagine on the same dvd everything had a creation or birthing point of some kind. Now if you created the DVD would your creation then also be required to be on that DVD? No As you and your origins are pre time. As I said the DVD contains all of time and if you have it then you are outside of that time line, that dimension.

Nope sorry, when scientists use words it is a completely different context than your laperson's usage.

"Create" does not mean a magic sky wizard as a gap answer in science. "Create" in scientific terms means countless factors manifesting into an outcome. Otherwise if "poof" and "abra cadabra" required a mythical fictional hero then Thor is the cause of lightening. 

Your god belief is merely your own desire a projection of human qualities in comic book form. 

13.8 billion year old universe which has been around longer than humans. Nope sorry, not buying your fictional super hero claim.

1) Then 'scientists' need a dictionary.

2) Appearently you are the ne who needs the dictionary:
cre·ate
[krēˈāt]



VERB
creates (third person present) · created (past tense) · created (past participle) · creating (present participle)

1. bring (something) into existence:
   "he created a thirty-acre lake" ·
   [more]
   "over 170 jobs were created"
   
   
   synonyms: produce · generate · bring into being · make · fabricate · fashion · build · construct · design · devise · originate · frame · develop · shape · form · forge · establish · found · initiate ·
   [more]
   institute · constitute · inaugurate · launch · set up · form · organize · develop
   • cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions:
     

Looks to me the definition could indeed include a abbra cadbbra origin.

Your god belief is merely your own desire a projection of human qualities in comic book form. 

"astro"-project much?


Or a 14.2 billion old universe.. or a 20.1 or a 5.5 or a 3.8 or a 10.45 One of these days your all might 'science" will give you a absolute true number, (Or have you forgotten how many times your number has changed in the last 20 years???) but I doubt it will be before God tells it to a scientist bold enough to ask.

Douche bag. you speak with such assurance even when you know in the back of your mind your prize scientist are as sure as any Christian.

[Alex K]

I have been seeing too many atheists memes these later months. I wonder about myself now, and I wonder about my goals.

I saw another meme some days ago about God that I am having problems thinking about.


Statement: "Everything has a creator, and God has no creator".

I always think the above as correct.

The meme continues: "Since God has no creator, God is not a thing to be created, or no thing to be created, i.e. nothing; God is nothing".

Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!

To "create" describes an object's beginning. Which is confined by time. Meaning the word create always and can only describe an object within the encapsulation of time. God simply existed before time. Before there were any celestial events to mark the passage of time. It is only with in the confines of time does the demand of a creator exist..

So where did God come from? IDK where did the super dense basketball of pre-big bang come from? Again before either event time there need not be a creation nor creator, as the beginning of time would make the first of anything.

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How do you know what's "outside time and space"? If god can be outside time and space - so can be an infinite number of things. There could be billions of "gods". Big Bang started "outside time and space", so by your "logic" - it  required no creator. And since our Universe came from the Big Bang - there's no need for a god/creator of the Universe.

And anybody can make up any nonsense and claim it's true, as long as it's "outside time and space". Guess what - I'm outside time and space and I don't see any god around here, so your religious beliefs must be false...

The word :INFINATE is a good clue.

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If God is outside time so as to not require being created, how can it *do* anything or have thoughts or desires?

what does being outside of time mean to you? being retarded?

Imagine a dvd representing the whole of time. now imagine on that dvd you know it's contents like any favorite movie. now take the dvd outside the player and place it on the table. You are now outside the "time line" of the dvd. did you suddenly become retarded (anymore than normal I mean?) What I am asking now just because you do not live at any central point on that dvd does it mean you know any less or more of the history on that dvd?

Now to answer a couple others with the same analogy imagine on the same dvd everything had a creation or birthing point of some kind. Now if you created the DVD would your creation then also be required to be on that DVD? No As you and your origins are pre time. As I said the DVD contains all of time and if you have it then you are outside of that time line, that dimension.

I get what you're saying, and I've mentioned that idea elsewhere here - but apart from the fact that there is zero evidence for this complicated construction, you are only moving the problem by positing a new timeline for God in which He moves. This then raises the same question about the creation of God in that timeline rather than ours.