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"Cultural Appropriation"
RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 8, 2017 at 3:39 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 8, 2017 at 3:36 am)Tizheruk Wrote: By your logic pissing someone grave. Defiling a war memorial . And using lamented holocaust registries as coasters .

None of those are examples of cultural appropriation. Those are examples of disrespect.

Don't conflate the two.

Is English your native tongue? If it isn't, how are you not appropriating, yourself?

 That's just my point a dream catcher in my culture is not just art it's a sacred ceremonial object . And using it as a wall decoration is as awful and disrespectful to it's role in my culture as the above .

I have no problem with some one speaking my language. (my non native relatives do) That's not the same as a dream catcher or a grave marker or defiling a wedding oath . Just as buying a leather jacket or a pair  moccasins is not the same .

(June 8, 2017 at 3:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 8, 2017 at 2:43 am)Tizheruk Wrote: I have never said one culture is more special then another in fact the total opposite .Which is why I have called myself horrible for not following this same rule . When acquiring foreign stuff. And why I don't do it anymore .

What, exactly, is so horrible about seeing something another group of people do, and saying, "gosh, I like that"? So long as you're not pretending to be one of them by using that cultural meme, how are you hurting someone?

I'd suggest that by refusing to find means of expressing yourself using whatever means and modes at hand, you're impoverishing your own life.

Let me give a real life example . I was dating a Chinese girl . And i brought here to my apartment (i was staying in Shanghai) and I was going to show her a neat object id bought in a market . So i brought her to apartment . and showed her the object a pair of pretty tiny shoes i had bought . upon looking at them she burst into tears . I asked her why . She promptly told me id bought a pair of lotus shoes . I asked her what was wrong with that. She then informed me of there significance as part of a disturbing custom called foot binding . I asked why this bothered her personally . She told me her grandmother(who she was very close with) had undergone foot binding it had messed up her legs and spine resulting in a slow painful death. So i got rid of them . These were not decorations and I refused to treat them as such . I instead bought a wall scroll of a tree one intended as a decoration .

(June 8, 2017 at 3:48 am)Jesster Wrote:
(June 8, 2017 at 3:45 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Because it's just as disrespectful to the object treating it like " just a piece of art on a wall" doing any of those things to any of those objects does not "harm " anyone by your logic .But it's just as awful and the people offended by it are not just "triggered "or " whining"   they have valid reason to be . This is something you keep missing .

I never said "just a piece of art on the wall". I said "a piece of art on the wall". Now you're insulting my artistic lifestyle, because I put a lot of value in art. I'd take offense, but I already said I didn't take you seriously at this point. Why should I care what you think?

Sigh weather you said just doesn't matter . I never said art wasn't valuable .I said dream catcher( grave makers wedding oaths ) were not meant to be art pieces. There ceremonial objects . And treating them as such (this includes natives who sell said items as such) is a trivialization of them. And that's disrespectful .  Wasn't it you wanted this dialogue ?

(June 8, 2017 at 3:55 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
(June 8, 2017 at 3:39 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: None of those are examples of cultural appropriation. Those are examples of disrespect.

Don't conflate the two.

Is English your native tongue? If it isn't, how are you not appropriating, yourself?

 That's just my point a dream catcher in my culture is not just art it's a sacred ceremonial object . And using it as a wall decoration is as awful and disrespectful to it's role in my culture as the above .

I have no problem with some one speaking my language. (my non native relatives do) That's not the same as a dream catcher or a grave marker or defiling a wedding oath . Just as buying a leather jacket or a pair  moccasins is not the same .

(June 8, 2017 at 3:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: What, exactly, is so horrible about seeing something another group of people do, and saying, "gosh, I like that"? So long as you're not pretending to be one of them by using that cultural meme, how are you hurting someone?

I'd suggest that by refusing to find means of expressing yourself using whatever means and modes at hand, you're impoverishing your own life.

Let me give a real life example . I was dating a Chinese girl . And i brought here to my apartment (i was staying in Shanghai) and I was going to show her a neat object id bought in a market . So i brought her to apartment . and showed her the object a pair of pretty tiny shoes i had bought . upon looking at them she burst into tears . I asked her why . She promptly told me id bought a pair of lotus shoes . I asked her what was wrong with that. She then informed me of there significance as part of a disturbing custom called foot binding . I asked why this bothered her personally . She told me her grandmother(who she was very close with) had undergone foot binding it had messed up her legs and spine resulting in a slow painful death. So i got rid of them . These were not decorations and I refused to treat them as such . I instead bought a wall scroll of a tree one intended as a decoration .

(June 8, 2017 at 3:48 am)Jesster Wrote: I never said "just a piece of art on the wall". I said "a piece of art on the wall". Now you're insulting my artistic lifestyle, because I put a lot of value in art. I'd take offense, but I already said I didn't take you seriously at this point. Why should I care what you think?

Sigh weather you said just doesn't matter . I never said art wasn't valuable .I said dream catcher( grave makers wedding oaths ) were not meant to be art pieces. There ceremonial objects . And treating them as such (this includes natives who sell said items as such) is a trivialization of them. And that's disrespectful .  Wasn't it you wanted this dialogue ?
 Oh and FYI referring back to something you already wrote and feeling inclined to repeat it is not dodging
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
So can I still buy a statue of jesus if I'm atheist?
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 8, 2017 at 6:19 am)Little lunch Wrote: So can I still buy a statue of jesus if I'm atheist?

It's a good question

If the statue is intended to be used as a decoration then yes . If not then please reframe

To be honest I don't know if statues like that were used purely ceremonially.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 8, 2017 at 6:26 am)paulpablo Wrote: [Image: 1qiosg.jpg]

Hmm interesting
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 7, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Then your a horrible person

Thanks.  Big Grin
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
Quote:Khemikal Wrote:
You know, you might have guessed that cultural appropriation and cultural exchange weren't the same thing..what with people using distinct terms to refer to separate and disparate phenomena......where have you been getting your information?

And you might have guessed that the word "synonym" actually exists. 
Did it not occur to you that the discussion is about the meaning of the term. You don't get to pretend that there exists a distinct dictionary meaning to a newly minted phrase because "hurr durr everyone is a racist bigot but me."


Quote:Cultural exchange is fine (I'd even go so far as to call it inevitable and necessary). When that cultural "exchange" is one sided and usory........it ceases to be exchange

Still a bigot I see.
No, it doesn't matter who's borrowing ideas from who or how many. If it's ok for one group, it's ok for the other regardless of ethnic or racial background. To make up rules like this based on race or ethnicity is the actual dictionary definition of racism. 
You know, despite thinking all your friends and family are bigots, it's actually you who are at the biggest racist and bigot of them all.  You owe them all an apology. You know that right?
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 8, 2017 at 7:24 am)Crunchy Wrote:
Quote:Khemikal Wrote:
You know, you might have guessed that cultural appropriation and cultural exchange weren't the same thing..what with people using distinct terms to refer to separate and disparate phenomena......where have you been getting your information?

And you might have guessed that the word "synonym" actually exists. 
Did it not occur to you that the discussion is about the meaning of the term. You don't get to pretend that there exists a distinct dictionary meaning to a newly minted phrase because "hurr durr everyone is a racist bigot but me."
It's not a newly minted phrase , and it's not a synonym for cultural exchange. It has a dictionary reference, it has a fucking wikipedia page, it has plenty of expositions from chairs and fellows and professors. The only way you could possibly get this wrong..is if you positively insisted on being wrong. So?

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Quote:Cultural exchange is fine (I'd even go so far as to call it inevitable and necessary). When that cultural "exchange" is one sided and usory........it ceases to be exchange

Still a bigot I see.
No, it doesn't matter who's borrowing ideas from who or how many. If it's ok for one group, it's ok for the other regardless of ethnic or racial background. To make up rules like this based on race or ethnicity is the actual dictionary definition of racism. 
You know, despite thinking all your friends and family are bigots, it's actually you who are at the biggest racist and bigot of them all.  You owe them all an apology. You know that right?
Strange, that you got all that from the above, since that's not in the above.  

"I'm not a bigot, you're a bigot!" Hell, I didn't even have to call you a bigot to elicit the usual response......huh?
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 8, 2017 at 6:49 am)Isis Wrote:
(June 7, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Then your a horrible person

Thanks.  Big Grin

Your welcome Big Grin
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
Quote:Khemikal Wrote:
It's not a newly minted phrase 

So you think it's an ancient expression? Lol that's funny.


Quote:, and it's not a synonym for cultural exchange. 


That's what this discussion is all about. You have to prove things you know. 


Quote:Strange, that you got all that from the above, since that's not in the above.  

That is exactly what you meant. You've created a difference between cultural exchange and cultural appropriation based who is doing it, and not based on what is being done. You're a racist and a bigot but just don't realize it.
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