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Poll: Do you believe in "Fate"?
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Yes.
16.67%
4 16.67%
No.
83.33%
20 83.33%
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Do you believe in "Fate"?
#11
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
Don't you have to define something before you can say whether you believe in it or not?
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#12
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
Belief is not something you take a millisecond to decide on at all. It's something that should be thought deeply about, considered, turned around, and then decided upon. There is nothing 'wrong with you' if you can't decide a belief in a millisecond.

And i voted yes.
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#13
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
Ha. Of course you voted yes. XDDD
Eeyore Wrote:Thanks for noticing.
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#14
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
It's to be expected. I also voted yes on the free will poll! Tongue
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#15
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
(October 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm)Existentialist Wrote: Don't you have to define something before you can say whether you believe in it or not?

Since when did believing in something require a definition?
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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#16
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
(October 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm)Existentialist Wrote: Don't you have to define something before you can say whether you believe in it or not?

Will = the power to will or...willpower. So free will= free willpower. Is our willpower free or is it controlled by the natural laws of the universe (whether deterministic or indeterministic)? I don't see why we would be exempt.

I find it rather amusing that 'free will' is often asked to be defined whenever it is questioned, and yet at the same time the same people will use 'free will' in order to justify someone 'deserving' something in every day life all the time. It's not at all unusual for me to hear someone say unquestioningly when judging someone's actions "Well, they had the free will not to do X just like everybody else didn't they?", assuming free will's existence. People will believe in free will and then when questioned suddenly forget what they mean by it. I think it is because their belief is baseless because free will makes no sense anyway.

And, to put it another way, and importantly: I think it's rather funny that the belief that is so close to most of us, the belief in our own freedom of will/choice, is so little understood. It's almost though most people just automatically believe in it unthinkingly on nothing but an assumption? Wink If they actually question what they really mean by it, it's impossible, defies logic, magical, and it makes no sense - I hope they would realize. It's a fiction that's used to justify feelings of contempt and resentment to make ourselves feel superior, or to justify our own pride as if we really 'deserve' our accomplishments that really came about due to reasons beyond our own will + our will but which is itself, unfree.

EDIT: Oops wrong thread. *sighs*
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#17
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
(October 3, 2010 at 5:07 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: Since when did believing in something require a definition?

Since if someone asked someone else if they believe in something and they didn't know what it was.
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#18
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People just rather assume that free will is actually free agent. It's only when you go into it you realise the finer points: that we are only actually free agents. No biggie really.
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#19
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It is a bigge. No free will= no ultimate moral responsibility. No just deserts. No philosophical desert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_(philosophy)
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#20
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
(I hope you've asked for these to be moved)

Of course there is moral responsibility. As a free agent you made your choice, and justice is exacted the same either way.
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