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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 7:37 pm
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(June 14, 2017 at 7:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; I didn't "see" God; but I'm sure that "He is there". Some atheists wonder why they haven't received similar assurances. You call it arrogance when others wonder why they were not privy to the divine insight which was granted to you. That, actually -is- arrogance.
Quote:Just like believing a movie was recorded; because I saw it and used cameras myself.
Pretty easy to tell when a movies been recorded...what with, you know, watching a recording we call a movie..........?
Quote:There's the personal, Humanoid God, I never believe in such thing. "Thinking" and applying the human prescriptive on him is where I think and believe faith gets twisted into the hideous forms we see mainly.
Meh, I don't think god has been twisted. I think you correctly realize that these descriptions of god are hideous..but cannot allow that to penetrate your faith -in- that god. You;ve been twisted, mostly by yourself.
Quote:Once we begin applying human traits on God; we lose the way.
If god cannot be expected to show a bare minimum of decency by such low standards as human standards...then god isn't "the way" anyway..so who cares? Some "human traits" are non-negotiable, even to believers. You believe your god to be just, one assumes? What justice is there in rewarding your sycophancy with surety while simultaneously damning another by his hiddenness?
None at all Katy, none at all.
End of the day, this is your baby..and you don;t get to write off god's stage fright as someone else's arrogance. That -also- fails the test of basic human decency.
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 7:50 pm
(June 14, 2017 at 6:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I think it would be just wrong to accuse black holes -for example- or the sun in a dark night -as an other example- for not showing themselves.
If the sun -for example- showed itself in front of you, you will evaporate.
If a black hole -for example- showed itself in front of you, you'll evaporate.
Theists claim that God is the creator of these celestial bodies; let alone the Islamic claim that 7 heavens exist; or with the humble science we have we can interpret that as 7 universes ? it's a scientific fact that such universes probably exist; to infinity even.
It just arrogant to expect the creator of all of that to appear in front of you. You can see hollywood stars on T.V only; they never appear in front of me. I know they exist because prophets of the media told me via T.V. I believe in God just like the prophets told me via holy books.
I can see the work of God around me; just like I see the work of Edward Norton.
It's an argument from design at its best. I just think it's quite not right to believe movie sets and neglect holy books and celestial evidence.
Was there a contest to see who can create a post with the most false analogies that I didn't hear about?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 7:58 pm
Last evening I knelt by my bed and prayed for a sign.
Soon afterwards there was a knock at my door.
I answered it to find a Mexican guy standing there.
He said, "I hear you want to open yourself up to Jesus!"
I told him to fuck off.
He stole my tyres!
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 8:03 pm
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 8:06 pm
(June 14, 2017 at 7:02 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
Are you in an iron chariot ??
Answers are always right there in Scripture. Just need to remember to look more often !!
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 8:16 pm
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(June 14, 2017 at 6:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I think it would be just wrong to accuse black holes -for example- or the sun in a dark night -as an other example- for not showing themselves.
Yes. That would be silly. Because that would be chasing red herrings about things that we know exist, that we can investigate and measure, and for which we have data, instead of gods, the actual subject of this thread.
(June 14, 2017 at 6:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If the sun -for example- showed itself in front of you, you will evaporate.
If a black hole -for example- showed itself in front of you, you'll evaporate.
There's so much wrong with this it's difficult to know where to start.
The Sun ahows itself to us every day - it's basically in the definition of 'day'. While it can get pretty hot, I have yet to hear of anyone actually evaporating.
Black holes have a lot of properties; I'm not sure causing evaporation is among them. In fact, you can quite happily sit outside the event horizon of one and observe it to your heart's content (there's probably a radiation issue, but nothing insurmountable if you've managed to get there at all).
What you're doing is called sleight of hand - you're presenting the qualities of two things, then palming a third thing and declaring that it has the same qualities. You might as well turn up at a party with your invitation and try to smuggle in your friend by claiming he can use the same one.
Besides which, who says that "God" has such a dangerously destructive nature anyway, and how do they know it? Why should it be intrinsically beyond examination, simply to rationalise away why it never reveals itself in person?
Lastly, for the moment, many if not all theists claim some sort of communication and/or interaction with their pet god, which they clearly survive. Short of a full manifestation, why can't we have that? Why must the only evidence we ever have be some combination of third-hand personal testimony, dusty mythology and deliberate falsehoods about scientific understanding of the real world?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 14, 2017 at 11:43 pm
Some people get to meet god, most of us have to settle for some random witch. It's a letdown, big promises are made.
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 15, 2017 at 12:13 am
Married too, huh? Yeah, me too...
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RE: Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?
June 15, 2017 at 12:28 am
(June 15, 2017 at 12:13 am)ignoramus Wrote: Married too, huh? Yeah, me too...
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