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10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 19, 2017 at 11:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Godscreated Wrote:When a person makes the positive statement that God does not exist it is up to them to prove their statement. By your very own statements you put Christians in the Defense category and the atheist is the prosecution category.

It's very frustrating to present an argument to someone who can't comprehend it. You got it exactly backwards. The theists are the ones trying to establish that a claim about the existence of something is true, they're the  prosecution (trying to establish that something happened and who did it); the defense is pointing out that they've failed to adequately establish their case, they're the atheists. No one would even know they're an atheist if they hadn't heard that someone was claiming some sort of deity exists. The burden of proof doesn't shift so fluidly, it's not just a matter of who said it first, it's what they're really claiming. The person who said it could have corrected me, and said no, no, Mister Agenda, I meant there's absolutely no chance God is real and wasn't just speaking shorthand for 'the existence of God has not been established sufficiently to justify rational belief in it, in my humble opinion'. I was able to pick up on what was actually meant, and you were not, yet you think I'm less discerning on the matter than you are. What was it I said about people who are full of themselves?

Atheist are always telling Christians they have to defend their claims. I know what you were trying to say but you were the one turning the argument around to fit your belief.
God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

GC

Godscreated Wrote:You need to prove they do not believe Brahma doesn't lie. Do their writings say this? The Bible given to us by God says He doesn't lie. The Hindus have so many gods they probably can't even name them all nor tell us what they are for. Do the gods in other religions give their believers words directly from them saying they do not lie. 
 
Mister A Wrote:Did you ever meet a red herring you didn't like? Are you just trying to get me to run Google errands for you to waste my time? I just threw out an example, I wasn't proclaiming a truth about Hinduism. So naturally you fixate on that, because nothing is more important to you than getting in a 'gotcha', including Jesus, apparently. So I'll happily switch my example to one more certain, Rama, the Hindu god of truth and virtue. The seventh avatar of Vishnu, which means truth and virtue are also attributes of Vishnu, and by extension, his other avatars. Supposedly Rama had all the desirable virtues that anyone would aspire to and fulfills all of his moral obligations.  You seem to be clinging to semantics to establish the existence of God. That's not a very good sign of having a strong case, but it's an excellent sign of someone who knows they have a weak one.

I'm not trying to get you to run errands on Google, what my answer did was to establish you made an assumption and didn't proclaim a truth. I wasn't interested in a 'gotcha' either, that's what some of the childish atheist here do, not referring to you. Like I said the Hindus have thousands of gods and this makes it less likely all are truthful, just as we see in the Greek gods. My case is strong, I have one God who gave us one book to reveal himself through and I can find no fault in any of it. This is my own personal belief that God has proven to me through a personal relationship.

GC 

Godscreated Wrote:No atheist here is aware that I believe in God, they keep telling me I can't because He doesn't exist, yet no one has ever proven He doesn't. You see for me belief is trusting in something real, not something imagined. My personal experiences with God are just that, a relationship through experiencing God, they are to be valid for me within that relationship. My statements about experiencing God to know He is real is something the Bible teaches and I was relating that to the readers of my post.

Mister A Wrote:I dare you to say something more inane. You would have to be a complete moron to believe that atheists here don't believe that you believe in God. Belief: holding something to be true. It's better not to comment at all if you can't think of a better comeback than that. Are you compelled to disagree with absolutely everything I say, even when it's pointless?

I knew what you were referring to, but when you keep hearing from the atheist here that you can't believe in God because He doesn't exist you know they must mean what they say, am I to call them a liar about what they believe about me. So, you see it wasn't a come back but a statement from what I've been told many, many times. I can ask you the same thing because you disagree with everything I say.

GC

Godscreated Wrote:So it's not okay for a parent to teach their children what they want them to hear. Then evolution needs to be out of school classes until these children can become critical thinkers, the PBS stations need to stop the indoctrination of small children through their programs aimed at those pre-schoolers. They are not teaching they're brainwashing.
 
Mister A Wrote:It's their right to do so, largely because the alternatives to not allowing them to teach their own children what they want is much worse. That doesn't mean it's great the parents can teach their children whatever they want. Do you think it's okay for Hindu parents to teach their children to believe in Hinduism, given that you likely think those children are damned to hell if they don't shake off that teaching, but it's an unfortunate reality that you just have to live with?  I would prefer that children be given the most current information available to the modern world on all subjects and to be taught to scrutinize claims critically as young as is appropriate to their stage of development, while not teaching them that any kind of folklore refers to something actually real, but there's no ethical way to accomplish that except through the eventual triumph of sweet reason, of which I'm not optimistic.

I would rather the Hindus had no such desire to teach their children about their religion, because I know it's not about the true God. However, they have that right and it's not for me to interfere with that right. Christian parents have the same right with their children. What I object to is parents have no choice what's taught to their children in school. Evolution is forced on these children and i know parents who dislike it and can't afford private schools or can home school. You haven't established Christianity and the God of Christians are not real.

GC

Godscreated Wrote:Thank you for supporting my above statement, because evolution is far from evidence based.  We can teach children where the universe came from, people like yourself can't even explain where the stuff came from before the big bang. Want a fairy tale to sale to children, tell them that the entire universe came from a golf ball sized piece of material, oh yeah I forgot you have already indoctrinated many children into believing this to be the truth and you have not even addressed where the material came from. 
  
Mister A Wrote:Where do YOU think the idea of evolution came from, if not evidence? Was is Satan whispering in Darwin's ear and the vast majority of biological scientists ever who have claimed to have found supporting evidence since have been in on the Satanic conspiracy? What is supposed to be taught in science class if you reject science? No wonder so many home-schooled kids become atheists right after getting out of the bubble of ignorance their parents tried to keep them in .

Do I believe that evolution is Satan influenced. Yes. Do I think Satan directly lead Darwin to hid belief, I have no idea, what I do know is Darwin wasn't the originator of the idea. There is no real evidence for evolution. Atheist here want to deflect the subject to recent time and call the small changes that happen in animals, bacteria and viruses as evolution. It's not especially compared to what is claimed, different things becomes something else. There is no evidence for this only assumptions, this idea has never been shown to of happened. I know many home schooled people and they are still strong Christians. By the way home schooling is not exclusive to Christians or any other religious group. Science that we know is true is what should be taught, not a fairy tale about animals transforming into something totally different. 

Mister A Wrote:To borrow your argument style for a moment, now that you've claimed that children are being taught that the universe came from a golf-ball sized piece of material, you have to prove it. That might be difficult, since there's no evidence at all known to science that the universe came from a golf-ball sized ball of material (though I suppose it may have been the size of a golf-ball for a fraction of a nano-second at some point in its existence,

It's not my claim, this is what I've read about and seen on many science programs on PBS and other programming. Some of the shows have been hosted by your most revered scientist.

GC 

Godscreated Wrote: This door swings to both sides of the argument, you need to understand it's not a one way street.

GC

Mister A Wrote:I can certainly understand why someone with your perspective would regard a properly basic science education as indoctrination. If it wasn't such a handicap in life to be ignorant of scientific knowledge at the age of 18 and such a detriment to a modern society, I could agree to delaying such education until then if they were also exposed to no religious indoctrination before then as well. The short term effect would be very unfair to the children and probably cause an economic slump, but would likely cause the near-disappearance of religious dogma in one generation, as I'm confident that science will do much better at withstanding critical scrutiny by eighteen-year-olds than religion...science is BASED on withstanding critical scrutiny, it's what's left after everything else has failed to withstand it. I would certainly agree to a mutual non-indoctrination pact if there were a way to implement it ethically. In fact, it's too bad that a limited social experiment can't be run ethically (or practically, given the difficulty of ensuring the children receive some sort of education but no indoctrination whatsoever) on it, the results would be quite illuminating.

 I have no problem with real and truthful science. Evolution has never played a roll in my life and I do just fine and so do many others I know. In a youth group I taught for several years I had very intelligent youth, one is now a nuclear engineer who has been held in high regard by his peers. He's traveled to other parts of the world to study and teach and give advice, he is a strong Christian and he was educated in public schools. Indoctrination will always be a part of our education process because there are adults who need to present their belief without proofs. if we were to use science as it should be there would be no starving people on this planet.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 3:45 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 19, 2017 at 11:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

It's very frustrating to present an argument to someone who can't comprehend it. You got it exactly backwards. The theists are the ones trying to establish that a claim about the existence of something is true, they're the  prosecution (trying to establish that something happened and who did it); the defense is pointing out that they've failed to adequately establish their case, they're the atheists. No one would even know they're an atheist if they hadn't heard that someone was claiming some sort of deity exists. The burden of proof doesn't shift so fluidly, it's not just a matter of who said it first, it's what they're really claiming. The person who said it could have corrected me, and said no, no, Mister Agenda, I meant there's absolutely no chance God is real and wasn't just speaking shorthand for 'the existence of God has not been established sufficiently to justify rational belief in it, in my humble opinion'. I was able to pick up on what was actually meant, and you were not, yet you think I'm less discerning on the matter than you are. What was it I said about people who are full of themselves?

Atheist are always telling Christians they have to defend their claims. I know what you were trying to say but you were the one turning the argument around to fit your belief.
God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

GC

You have made the positive claim that you know god exists several times now. And yet you still have never backed that claim up with actual evidence. When we tell you we cannot accept your claim without evidence, you immediately demand that we provide evidence for our position. It's very hypocritical of you to demand we provide evidence when you can't. It's obvious that you don't have it and are just avoiding the question.
Being careful is for people who can't handle surprises.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 1:01 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 19, 2017 at 8:15 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: I don't need to show you shit. Just because you've been spoon-fed your religious bullshit doesn't mean that's the only way to learn something.  You know too little about evolution to even comment on it.

 What it comes down to you have no answer to where the material came from to start the big bang. The ball is in your court to supply the answer because it's your claim. Just ask Mister Agenda. Religion has nothing to do with the big bang and as far as being spoon fed that would be you by science that can't even explain the very beginning of the big bang.

GC
I have no answer. So fucking what? Where did I claim otherwise?

(July 20, 2017 at 1:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 1:23 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I'm pretty sure we've explained this to you before: even if we don't know where the material came from, it does not mean that the answer is your god.

 Until you can demonstrate where the material came from then big band is just a fairy tale. At least I have an answer, right.

GC

No, you don't have an answer.  It's barely a response. You're just repeating what other ignorant people have said because it makes you feel good.  And if anyone should know about fairy tales, it's you.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
Godscreated Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:

It's very frustrating to present an argument to someone who can't comprehend it. You got it exactly backwards. The theists are the ones trying to establish that a claim about the existence of something is true, they're the  prosecution (trying to establish that something happened and who did it); the defense is pointing out that they've failed to adequately establish their case, they're the atheists. No one would even know they're an atheist if they hadn't heard that someone was claiming some sort of deity exists. The burden of proof doesn't shift so fluidly, it's not just a matter of who said it first, it's what they're really claiming. The person who said it could have corrected me, and said no, no, Mister Agenda, I meant there's absolutely no chance God is real and wasn't just speaking shorthand for 'the existence of God has not been established sufficiently to justify rational belief in it, in my humble opinion'. I was able to pick up on what was actually meant, and you were not, yet you think I'm less discerning on the matter than you are. What was it I said about people who are full of themselves?

Atheist are always telling Christians they have to defend their claims. I know what you were trying to say but you were the one turning the argument around to fit your belief.
God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

GC

You only have to defend your claims if you want other people to believe them.

Godscreated Wrote:I'm not trying to get you to run errands on Google, what my answer did was to establish you made an assumption and didn't proclaim a truth. I wasn't interested in a 'gotcha' either, that's what some of the childish atheist here do, not referring to you. Like I said the Hindus have thousands of gods and this makes it less likely all are truthful, just as we see in the Greek gods. My case is strong, I have one God who gave us one book to reveal himself through and I can find no fault in any of it. This is my own personal belief that God has proven to me through a personal relationship.

GC 

If they have thousands of gods, that makes it MORE likely that ONE is truthful. That's how odds work, the more chances you have to get a particular result, the more likely the result will occur, if it's possible. Rama is the god of truth, so Hindus who believe in Rama have it from the god of truth that they are right. I think that's a silly argument, but it's one that you seem to take very seriously. That and the argument from 'I am unable to effectively critique this document, so it must be true'. At least you're coming up with your own arguments, I kind of respect that.

Godscreated Wrote:No atheist here is aware that I believe in God, they keep telling me I can't because He doesn't exist, yet no one has ever proven He doesn't. You see for me belief is trusting in something real, not something imagined. My personal experiences with God are just that, a relationship through experiencing God, they are to be valid for me within that relationship. My statements about experiencing God to know He is real is something the Bible teaches and I was relating that to the readers of my post.

Mister A Wrote:I dare you to say something more inane. You would have to be a complete moron to believe that atheists here don't believe that you believe in God. Belief: holding something to be true. It's better not to comment at all if you can't think of a better comeback than that. Are you compelled to disagree with absolutely everything I say, even when it's pointless?

I knew what you were referring to, but when you keep hearing from the atheist here that you can't believe in God because He doesn't exist you know they must mean what they say, am I to call them a liar about what they believe about me. So, you see it wasn't a come back but a statement from what I've been told many, many times. I can ask you the same thing because you disagree with everything I say.

If you can produce a quote of someone here telling you that you can't believe in God, I will heartily and humbly apologize. And I agree with you that Christians, Hindus, humanists, etc. have and should have the right to teach their children what they want. If they choose to send their children to public schools, they will have to put up with learning what's taught in public schools. You're not required to send your kids to public schools.

Godscreated Wrote:
Mister A Wrote:To borrow your argument style for a moment, now that you've claimed that children are being taught that the universe came from a golf-ball sized piece of material, you have to prove it. That might be difficult, since there's no evidence at all known to science that the universe came from a golf-ball sized ball of material (though I suppose it may have been the size of a golf-ball for a fraction of a nano-second at some point in its existence,

It's not my claim, this is what I've read about and seen on many science programs on PBS and other programming. Some of the shows have been hosted by your most revered scientist.

GC 

Who is my 'most revered scientist'? Why do I revere her or him so much?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 1:01 am)Godscreated Wrote: Religion has nothing to do with the big bang and as far as being spoon fed that would be you by science that can't even explain the very beginning of the big bang.

Explain the very beginning of your god.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 1:39 am)Godscreated Wrote: Until you can demonstrate where the material came from then big band is just a fairy tale.

Until you can demonstrate where your god came from then it's just a fairy tale.

(July 20, 2017 at 1:39 am)Godscreated Wrote: At least I have an answer, right.

Or wrong. How can you know which is which?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 3:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

In other words you only see things that fit with your preconceptions.

"I'll see it when I believe it."
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 20, 2017 at 1:40 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 1:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Until you can demonstrate where the material came from then big band is just a fairy tale. At least I have an answer, right.

GC

You have an answer, yes. But not necessarily the right one. If on a test I put 2+2=7, I have an answer but it is completely incorrect. After all, the Big Bang counts as an answer too.

 Okay I'll accept it's an answer in the manner you present, that means the big bang is the wrong answer, simply because it does nothing to explain where the material came from.

GC

(July 20, 2017 at 10:33 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 3:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: Atheist are always telling Christians they have to defend their claims. I know what you were trying to say but you were the one turning the argument around to fit your belief.
God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

GC

You have made the positive claim that you know god exists several times now. And yet you still have never backed that claim up with actual evidence. When we tell you we cannot accept your claim without evidence, you immediately demand that we provide evidence for our position. It's very hypocritical of you to demand we provide evidence when you can't. It's obvious that you don't have it and are just avoiding the question.

 I'm not avoiding the answer, I told you I can not give you the evidence you want to your satisfaction, I've admitted this. So I'm not being hypocritical but this post does make you the hypocrite. When someone says God doesn't exist i expect the same thing from them they expect from me evidence, this is fair, right. I'm over this back and forth lets's just move on to something that would produce something, this is my last reply on this subject in this thread.

GC

(July 20, 2017 at 11:36 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 1:01 am)Godscreated Wrote:  What it comes down to you have no answer to where the material came from to start the big bang. The ball is in your court to supply the answer because it's your claim. Just ask Mister Agenda. Religion has nothing to do with the big bang and as far as being spoon fed that would be you by science that can't even explain the very beginning of the big bang.

GC
I have no answer. So fucking what? Where did I claim otherwise?

You believe in the big bang so yes the big bang is claimed by you.

GC

(July 20, 2017 at 1:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Until you can demonstrate where the material came from then big band is just a fairy tale. At least I have an answer, right.

GC

Harry N Wrote:No, you don't have an answer.  It's barely a response. You're just repeating what other ignorant people have said because it makes you feel good.  And if anyone should know about fairy tales, it's you.

 Sure I have an answer just because you do not like or accept it doesn't change the fact it's an answer. The big bang still has no acceptable answer for where the material came from, so it's in reality a non-starter ie. fairy tale.

GC

(July 21, 2017 at 6:54 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 3:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.

In other words you only see things that fit with your preconceptions.

"I'll see it when I believe it."

I have no preconceptions, I look for the answers whatever they may be.

GC

(July 21, 2017 at 6:47 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 1:01 am)Godscreated Wrote: Religion has nothing to do with the big bang and as far as being spoon fed that would be you by science that can't even explain the very beginning of the big bang.

Explain the very beginning of your god.

He is omnipresent, He has no beginning. you do understand what omnipresent means, right.

GC

(July 20, 2017 at 1:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Godscreated Wrote:I'm not trying to get you to run errands on Google, what my answer did was to establish you made an assumption and didn't proclaim a truth. I wasn't interested in a 'gotcha' either, that's what some of the childish atheist here do, not referring to you. Like I said the Hindus have thousands of gods and this makes it less likely all are truthful, just as we see in the Greek gods. My case is strong, I have one God who gave us one book to reveal himself through and I can find no fault in any of it. This is my own personal belief that God has proven to me through a personal relationship.

GC 

If they have thousands of gods, that makes it MORE likely that ONE is truthful. That's how odds work, the more chances you have to get a particular result, the more likely the result will occur, if it's possible. Rama is the god of truth, so Hindus who believe in Rama have it from the god of truth that they are right. I think that's a silly argument, but it's one that you seem to take very seriously. That and the argument from 'I am unable to effectively critique this document, so it must be true'. At least you're coming up with your own arguments, I kind of respect that.


If they were real you might be right but I'm not going to argue that I've already stated why I know those gods are false. Rama might be called the god of truth but does that mean he hasn't lied. I'm asking because I do not know and know next to nothing about the Hindu text, I do not know whether they believe they have text from Rama. I have a book that takes a life time just to begin and understand all the omniscient God put in it.

Godscreated Wrote:No atheist here is aware that I believe in God, they keep telling me I can't because He doesn't exist, yet no one has ever proven He doesn't. You see for me belief is trusting in something real, not something imagined. My personal experiences with God are just that, a relationship through experiencing God, they are to be valid for me within that relationship. My statements about experiencing God to know He is real is something the Bible teaches and I was relating that to the readers of my post.


I knew what you were referring to, but when you keep hearing from the atheist here that you can't believe in God because He doesn't exist you know they must mean what they say, am I to call them a liar about what they believe about me. So, you see it wasn't a come back but a statement from what I've been told many, many times. I can ask you the same thing because you disagree with everything I say.

Mister A Wrote:If you can produce a quote of someone here telling you that you can't believe in God, I will heartily and humbly apologize. And I agree with you that Christians, Hindus, humanists, etc. have and should have the right to teach their children what they want. If they choose to send their children to public schools, they will have to put up with learning what's taught in public schools. You're not required to send your kids to public schools.

I can't remember who specifically has said that, it was stated recently. I'm not going back through all my post to find out either, you can believe me or not, it's up to you.
I taught my youth to always study what the school wanted and to make the best grades they could, I also told them you know what you believe stick to it. There are many poor people who have no choice but to send their children to public schools.

Godscreated Wrote:It's not my claim, this is what I've read about and seen on many science programs on PBS and other programming. Some of the shows have been hosted by your most revered scientist.

GC 
 
Mister A Wrote:Who is my 'most revered scientist'? Why do I revere her or him so much?

I am drawing a blank right now, not unusual at 2 o'clock in the morning. The black guy that's done several things for PBS. I guess because I've seen in the news he has reached super star status in the science world. You know making stars out of scientist is a slippery slope.

GC

Okay everyone I'm having a hard time fielding all these post, I just don't have the time so I'm probably not going to respond to anymore in this thread unless I believe them to be reasonable. So if I don't respond to yours don't get upset, your response might be reasonable, but just not one that I will answer it.

Please give me a break.  And goodnight and all have a great weekend.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 22, 2017 at 1:11 am)Godscreated Wrote: I have a book that takes a life time just to begin and understand all the omniscient God put in it.

Actually, what you have is a system of indoctrination that merely involves adults telling their children what to believe, followed by a lifetime of adherence to ignorance through faith.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 22, 2017 at 1:11 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 20, 2017 at 1:40 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: You have an answer, yes. But not necessarily the right one. If on a test I put 2+2=7, I have an answer but it is completely incorrect. After all, the Big Bang counts as an answer too.

 Okay I'll accept it's an answer in the manner you present, that means the big bang is the wrong answer, simply because it does nothing to explain where the material came from.

GC

(July 20, 2017 at 10:33 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: You have made the positive claim that you know god exists several times now. And yet you still have never backed that claim up with actual evidence. When we tell you we cannot accept your claim without evidence, you immediately demand that we provide evidence for our position. It's very hypocritical of you to demand we provide evidence when you can't. It's obvious that you don't have it and are just avoiding the question.

 I'm not avoiding the answer, I told you I can not give you the evidence you want to your satisfaction, I've admitted this. So I'm not being hypocritical but this post does make you the hypocrite. When someone says God doesn't exist i expect the same thing from them they expect from me evidence, this is fair, right. I'm over this back and forth lets's just move on to something that would produce something, this is my last reply on this subject in this thread.

Ok, so the Big Bang is the wrong answer. I'm cool with that. It still doesn't make god the right answer though, because there is no evidence for his existence.

I can play that game too. I have evidence god doesn't exist, but I can't give it to you to your satisfaction so I won't even bother. But it is there, trust me. You're just going round and round to try and trick people into thinking you have actual evidence. It's obvious you don't, and we can all see it. Therefore, we don't accept your claim.
Being careful is for people who can't handle surprises.
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