Conservative Atheism

[Jehanne]

Everyone has to be good at something; as a US native born citizen, I get a "kick" from how America constantly loses at the World Cup!  We need to get knocked down a peg or two on occasion!

Oh sure we lose at stuff all the time we suck at quite few sports . I think every country needs a knocked out keeps a country from becoming overconfident

But, when feeling bad about themselves, they elect a "Donald Trump", and with it, the secret nuclear codes to destroy the World!

Brwwwaaaah!!

[Amarok]

Oh sure we lose at stuff all the time we suck at quite few sports . I think every country needs a knocked out keeps a country from becoming overconfident

But, when feeling bad about themselves, they elect a "Donald Trump", and with it, the secret nuclear codes to destroy the World!

Brwwwaaaah!!

Some do and those are the people who need to grow up

[Amarok]

As for the notion that Obama is responsible for the Rise of ISIS because he withdraw . Is weapon grate bullshit . Bush signed the order Obama only enacted it because the war was unpopular in Both America And Iraq . Bush is also to blame for having no plan of how to deal with the deep sectarian issues in the country before launching the invasion. Bush help establish and support a government with often extreme anti Sunni policies . And help build security force infamous for murdering Sunnis . Thus leading to mass support in Sunni communities for groups like ISIS . As for Syria there was already mass anger in that country so no. Ultimately an American presence in Iraq may have slowed down ISIS but it would have rose anyway.

An what has Trump done again ?

Launched a big bomb on one bunker that will do diddly to the overall all conflict there

Waste heap load of cruise missiles on target that wasn't even destroyed and to this day is still being used to kill people

[Divinity]

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If every doctor I knew was incompetent and unable to produce results for the job they have been hired, and they had a reputation as being untruthful or as an outright liar.  Then I may let someone else take a look at a broken leg.

Yeah, cause Business men are so incredibly trustworthy.  What a load of bullshit.  You basically traded in a doctor unable to treat something complex like cancer for a fucking faith healer who only gives a shit about the money people give him to build his fucking golden airplanes.

[Amarok]

Also show me those Immigration numbers in 4 years or even 8  and then you can brag . As there is always drops a increases show me the flow has stopped . Fact you can't as for more arrests a large portion of those people had jobs and had no criminal record .So resources were wasted on people being productive based on an unrealistic notion of immigration. Laws are only useful when they reflect reality .

[The Grand Nudger]

Immigration was on a downturn, even though we were softening some of our immigration stance.  Probably had something to do with everyone being broke after trump and his buddies fleeced us a few years back.  Most of the mexicans here illegally don't come for our pleasant and welcoming demeanor........

[NuclearEnergy]

USA! USA!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!


Why are we cheering for 1980's olympic hockey?

Great movie by the way

[The Valkyrie]

As for the notion that Obama is responsible for the Rise of ISIS because he withdraw . Is weapon grate bullshit . Bush signed the order Obama only enacted it because the war was unpopular in Both America And Iraq . Bush is also to blame for having no plan of how to deal with the deep sectarian issues in the country before launching the invasion. Bush help establish and support a government with often extreme anti Sunni policies . And help build security force infamous for murdering Sunnis . Thus leading to mass support in Sunni communities for groups like ISIS . As for Syria there was already mass anger in that country so no. Ultimately an American presence in Iraq may have slowed down ISIS but it would have rose anyway.

An what has Trump done again ?

Launched a big bomb on one bunker that will do diddly to the overall all conflict there

Waste heap load of cruise missiles on target that wasn't even destroyed and to this day is still being used to kill people

What has Trump done?

He exposed the previous guy as being a non-American, communist, Muslim!

He's invented alternative facts.

He defeated ISIS in just 30 days!

He went back in time and killed Sarah Connor!

And he went back in time and sired himself so that he can save the universe.

[Hammok Man]

A, no ones going to fund his ethnic cleansing.  
B, he wont serve for 8 years.

In any case, I understand where the comment came from now, at least, you've somehow attributed immigration stats to the savior of our race.  

This is really weird.
How exactly does enforcing existing laws equal ethnic cleansing?
If these are bad laws why were they not changed? there were ample opportunities between 2008 and 2012.

Are you inferring that I am a racist?
Or is anyone who disagrees with liberal sensibilities automatically a racist?
If that is the case I will be done with you.



Please keep in mind that I am not trying to convince or win you over, just sharing my perspective.

I was asked in another thread how i would rank the 6 pillars of morality, the voting for Trump was not supposed to be the main subject of this thread.
I gave my perspective on why I voted for Pres Trump, most notably the lesser of two evils.


I am not without my doubts about this man.

I don't really trust Trump.  I do not know what motivates him.  The motives of most politicians are relatively easy to figure out. (who gave them the most money, how does my party/agenda think about the current issue?)
I would expect him to act in his own interest.  (Politicians should not be able to enrich themselves or their families with public policy but it does happen, both sides are guilty and i needs to be stopped.)

I do not think he is incompetent.
I do not think he will do anything to upset business growth in the US while he is in office.
I do think he may look for ways to curb federal spending.
I do think will actively fund the military to bring it back to a state of readiness.

As i get older my perspective does change, personal experience is the driving factor.
I do seek out views contrary to my perspective because i find them interesting, and occasionally I find something that makes enough sense that it cannot be discounted. 

I am not sure that this is in the correct section for this thread, it has very little to do with atheism and more to do with my political beliefs.  
Perhaps this thread should be moved to a different location in the forum, I would hate that this be the first thing most people see when coming to this sight.  
I really had no idea I was opening a can of worms.

I do think there are a large amount of conservative atheist floating around out there.  Web sites like this help them know that they are not alone, and that they can find answers to questions and advise.  Having tolerance for other political views will help other people drop the collar of religion from their neck.

[The Grand Nudger]

The usual response from another usual suspect.  I'll let you handle all the inferences yourself.  Truth is, I'm immune to the common trumpster bait..I'll just ignore your talking points and crack jokes.  I wouldn't have some long winded discussion with you about why enforcing existing law would be ethnic cleansing anymore than I would legitmately discuss with you the notion that not agreeing with liberals was racist..because both are ridiculous pieces of right wing loon theater that you've been mainling from "credible" news sites.  The most draconian enforcement of that existing law happened during Obama's presidency..and that obviously wasn't enough for some of us, lol.  We want moar laws, and moar walls. OFC we're going to need moar money to do that...and while we're at it moar money for the military - and we'll have less money to spend for having done it..and less labor with wich to accomplish it (or. for small business, for that matter). But hey, at least he lived up to one of your expectations - he managed to enrich himself with the office as expected...and you probably understand Trump and his motivations just fine.

In any case, there are probably fewer conservative atheists than liberal ones (for example)..but both numbers are fairly large.  We know you guys are out there, lol.  There;s nothing about tolerating -your views- that's going to help me drop a collar I never had..so it;s not some kind of categorical atheist imperative.  OFC i have to tolerate you..lol, you';re a human being.  I can;t just come to your house and snatch you out of bed.,.kids screaming..send you to a concentration camp..and then deport you to a country you had never been to.  We can only do that to "immigrants"