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Poll: Have you always or nearly always lived in the same place you grew up and, if so, do you identify as politically conservative?
This poll is closed.
Yes but I'm pretty liberal/progressive politically.
20.00%
7 20.00%
Yes but I'm more centrist or unallied politically.
11.43%
4 11.43%
Yes and I do lean toward conservative politically.
5.71%
2 5.71%
No but I do identify as conservative politically.
0%
0 0%
No but I'm more centrist or unallied politically.
14.29%
5 14.29%
No and I am pretty liberal/progressive politically.
48.57%
17 48.57%
Total 35 vote(s) 100%
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Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
#11
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Landau, Ger
Midland, TX
Würzburg, Ger
Setauket, NY
Freiburg, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger
Aachen, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger

That must be the reason why I'm a liberal.

Heart Both my sisters were born in Heidelberg Big Grin
“What screws us up the most in life is the picture in our head of what it's supposed to be.”

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#12
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Landau, Ger
Midland, TX
Würzburg, Ger
Setauket, NY
Freiburg, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger
Aachen, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger

That must be the reason why I'm a liberal.


Correlatively speaking of course.
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#13
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
#6 for me. 

I moved from Hillary Country to Shithead Country.  Did have a brief 4 year span in upstate NY which is a whole different animal..... but still not as bad as Arizona.
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#14
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Landau, Ger
Midland, TX
Würzburg, Ger
Setauket, NY
Freiburg, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger
Aachen, Ger
Heidelberg, Ger

That must be the reason why I'm a liberal.


Did you ever meet Hank Hill when you were in Midland?  I think that's where that guy lived.  If so, say howdy to Boomhauer for me.
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#15
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:13 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Funny but now I have little desire to travel and none whatsoever to ever move again.  Give me roots.  Hell, never mind, I'll grow my own.

It;s just so exhausting.  Travel -sometimes- less so than moving, but always, in moving.  Then, wherever you go - even third world shitholes..you look up and see those golden arches just like everywhere else and wonder "did I really change anything in this move?".

Screw all that noise, Imma stay right here - I've got roots planted that won't ever make a dime in my own lifetime.



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#16
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 22, 2017 at 3:13 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Funny but now I have little desire to travel and none whatsoever to ever move again.  Give me roots.  Hell, never mind, I'll grow my own.

It;s just so exhausting.  Travel -sometimes- less so than moving, but always, in moving.  Then, wherever you go - even third world shitholes..you look up and see those golden arches just like everywhere else and wonder "did I really change anything in this move?".

Screw all that noise, Imma stay right here - I've got roots planted that won't ever make a dime in my own lifetime.


But they might surprise you, those roots.
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#17
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Whateverist Wrote: <snipping for brevity's sake>

First of all I'm going to point out that on most substantive issues there's only a hairs breadth difference between liberalism and modern conservatism. They both massively prioritise the rights of the capitalist and land owning* few over the great mass of the people, it is only around the edges of social issues where they diverge.

As a man who is on the leftwards edge of social democracy (I'd be an out and out socialist only for I don't think humanity is yet able to set a system comparable to the end goal of socialist) I see little difference in the larger scheme of things between the two.

To answer the question in the title though (at first I thought the question was more literal than it is, asking people if they physically lived elsewhere), I was right wing as a teen and young adult. I thought low taxes on the rich was a good thing, as it'd allow them to create wealth for the rest of us, I thought regulation of private business was wrong and so on.

What changed me was dropping out of uni first of all, where I had to take a series of minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, and realising how hard people had to work to get a bare minimum existence^ (and yes I know it's worse in America or anywhere in the third world, but minimum wage jobs in Ireland can still be pretty shitty), and most especially a group project I was working on when I returned to uni, where I had gotten the group to back my plan to argue for a flat tax as a way of helping Ireland's economy. When I first heard of it I was all for it, gung ho to an extreme extent, but then I started looking into the idea and countries which had adopted it, and my view of the world quickly collapsed. I was now confronted with an evidential and theoretical basis which showed that my political and economic views were the opposite of what I needed to be arguing for to secure a better country for me and the majority of my fellow citizens.

*I'm not talking about the farmer who owns 50 acres here, nor the family with a big mortgage for a small house.

^This had been staring me in the face for literally yonks, but at five and six you don't see your parents struggling and sacrificing to make ends meet.

Oh and to regards the moving bit, going from a small village at the edge of Limerick (20 miles Irish) to Limerick itself, to Cork, back to the village, is not big in distance terms, but frankly was huge in terms of culture.
You see, one thing is: I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knoing than to have answers which might be wrong.
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Well the sorrow the suffering the glory the pain
The killing the dying was all done in vain
For young Willy Mc Bride it all happened again
And again,and again,and again,and again

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#18
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
Four American states and three other countries, and I'm centrist/unaffiliated.

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#19
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:14 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: Heart Both my sisters were born in Heidelberg Big Grin

It's a nice place to be born Smile
So they have something in common with my youngest!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#20
RE: Have you ever lived anywhere else besides where you live now?
(June 22, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: *I'm not talking about the farmer who owns 50 acres here, nor the family with a big mortgage for a small house.
Heheh, our system, over here, does prioritize that.  Watch what happens in any disagreement between my land owning self and the local renters.   Angel



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