I don't know what fast one you are trying to pull-off here @snowtracks but your fundamentalist friends do not agree with you:
Genesis 1: YÔM ≠ eon
Genesis 1: YÔM ≠ eon
Is it possible that the universe could be eternal??...
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I don't know what fast one you are trying to pull-off here @snowtracks but your fundamentalist friends do not agree with you:
Genesis 1: YÔM ≠ eon (January 2, 2023 at 7:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I don't know what fast one you are trying to pull-off here @snowtracks but your fundamentalist friends do not agree with you:Isn't it sad when Young Earth Creationists manage to make more sense then Snow...
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM (January 2, 2023 at 7:42 pm)Helios Wrote:(January 2, 2023 at 7:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I don't know what fast one you are trying to pull-off here @snowtracks but your fundamentalist friends do not agree with you:Isn't it sad when Young Earth Creationists manage to make more sense then Snow... it’s only a momentary advantage for snowtracks in the race to the bottom down the pit of ignorance and superstition that is actually bottomless. (January 2, 2023 at 8:02 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(January 2, 2023 at 7:42 pm)Helios Wrote: Isn't it sad when Young Earth Creationists manage to make more sense then Snow... It's also a monetary advantage, at least for some; you can Google Ken Ham's net wealth for more.
Previously published before 1/26
Going through Genesis (previously posted section). 'New' below*. ======================================= Genesis 1 is a summary. In just one page, a flawless overview of 13.79 B. years of natural history was written some 3 tya that miraculously describes the sequential steps (which perfectly align with the scientific record) by which Earth became ready for human habitation. Genesis 2 like all other references adds details to the summary. Gen 2, in particular, gives a spiritual perspective on creation; thus, it begins to elaborate on the ‘purpose’ of creation. Gen 1:1 to 1:2 is 9 1/2 billion years; nothing explicitly biblical is stated. For correct interpretation, the point of reference changes from above to the Earth's surface looking up, with verse 2. Creation Day 1 (biblically in this context, "a long but finite period of time"). Commences with: Genesis 1:2. “Let there be light” is when the visible light of the Sun, Moon, and stars first appears on Earth’s surface. The date for transforming Earth’s atmosphere from opaque to translucent is around 4 bya. The atmosphere remained overcast (much like on a rainy day), but light could finally reach the planet's surface. Therefore, the celestial lights would not yet be visible at the surface of the Earth. Again, the point of view for the six creation days is that of an observer on Earth’s surface. And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. ----------------------------------- *New Day 2 Genesis 1:7-8 7So God made the expanse and separated the waters beneath it from the waters above. And it was so.… 8God called the expanse “sky The water in a liquid state was in contact with another mass of water, in the shape of dense fogs and vapors; not merely overhanging, but actually resting on the waters beneath. The object of the expanse is to divide the waters which are under it from those which are above it; thus, This is when God establishes a complex, stable, water cycle. The start date would be sometime after 3.8 billion years ago. The end date would be sometime before 2.45 billion years ago. And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
^ Can't get enough of these lectures. Please tell us more about how the Bible doesn't mean what it says.
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RE: Is it possible that the universe could be eternal??...
January 26, 2023 at 5:38 am
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2023 at 5:42 am by GrandizerII.)
In response to the title of this thread, I don't see why not? Of course, it also depends on what you mean by "universe". There are more than one way of defining that term.
As for the OP, the Kalam Cosmological Argument (which it implicitly refers to) is not a compelling argument. The premise "the universe began to exist" is very well-contested, and relies on a particular view of time which is controversial. RE: Is it possible that the universe could be eternal??...
January 26, 2023 at 11:17 am
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(January 26, 2023 at 3:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: Previously published before 1/26 What was your godthings message in Genesis 6:6? Genesis 6:6 New King James Version 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. RE: Is it possible that the universe could be eternal??...
January 26, 2023 at 11:22 am
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2023 at 11:24 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I love this one, peddling the fiction that genesis is scientifically accurate in service of a claim that the book is, therefore, miracle magics. Firstly, no scientific claim or belief ends in "therefore magic:".....and..secondly..magic book provides an internally contradictory account that is out of sequential order with respect to the scientific record no matter how hard a given christian tries to finesse it. Thirdly..wtf are you even doing? You worships jesus-god, not yahweh-god. Which hill is more important for your religion to die on, that jesus saves or that the jewish god could never get historical details wrong?
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Whenever believers start babbling about cosmology I just remind myself that there's bugger all in the bible about it. No surprise there. The bible's a book of faith, not a science textbook. When the new images came back from the JWST with galaxies where our current cosmological model said there shouldn't be any it wasn't the bible that explained the discrepancy. It won't be theologians who do the heavy lifting to figure this out. And the JWST wasn't launched by the church in the first place. You lot have no more interest in actual cosmology than trying to prop up the myths of some bronze age goat herders.
It took 1600 years from the time that JC got tacked up by the Romans until the point where even one of you figured out that the sun didn't go round the Earth and you promptly persecuted that poor bugger. The church's record on cosmology amounts to two millennia of knuckle-dragging ignorance and they like it that way. |
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