The Nice Thing About Being An Atheist

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Um...statistically lower divorce rates?

You know why divorce is so expensive?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING WORTH IT!!!

Boru

[Foxaèr]

What I fail to understand is how these multiple divorcees never learn their lesson. They continue to remarry only to get divorced shortly after.

[Astonished]

What I fail to understand is how these multiple divorcees never learn their lesson.  They continue to remarry only to get divorced shortly after.

Religion reinforcing an unhealthy and unrealistic set of expectations upon their relationships and partners and making them incapable of reassessing these wrong conclusions they've come to, my guess.

And there's plenty wrong with divorce. Making your kids feel like shit, breaking apart a family, breaking a promise you made, having to live knowing you made a huge mistake and everyone who is aware of the 'd' word will be judging you and questioning your judgment. I mean, yeah, there's benefit to getting out of a shitty marriage but why not be more careful going in and make sure the risk is minimized? It's like the abortion debate-just fucking be better about birth control and not demonizing its usage and the problem of abortions will become far less common. No one wants to address the roots of the problems, only the symptoms, and that's just foolhardy.

[Ben Davis]

And there's plenty wrong with divorce. Making your kids feel like shit, breaking apart a family, breaking a promise you made, having to live knowing you made a huge mistake and everyone who is aware of the 'd' word will be judging you and questioning your judgment. I mean, yeah, there's benefit to getting out of a shitty marriage but why not be more careful going in and make sure the risk is minimized?

...No one wants to address the roots of the problems, only the symptoms, and that's just foolhardy.

I have to say that's a very 'traditional' view of divorce and not really representative of the realities. Most often, children are happier once the breakup has occurred because it's worse to be in a dysfunctional relationship, rowing endlessly, than it is to leave it; it means an end to the breakdown of the spousal relationship and the beginnings of healing. You also seem to hold an idealistic view of the nuclear family and are ignoring the fact that it's an entirely recent concept, possible due to the cessation of familial death caused by modern medicine. As for the stigma to which you refer, that's becoming less and less common and certainly shouldn't be used as a rational for staying in a relationship. Would you really tell an abused spouse that they're better off taking it because of what the neighbours think?

Commonly, the root cause of a dysfunctional relationship is the people in it and likewise, the best solution is to remove them. Relationship counciling works by finding resolution to the arising conflicts and separation is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

[Simon Moon]

What have you soulless motherluvas got?

This goes more to my skepticism in general, but applies here because it is how I got to my atheism.

The knowledge that I came to my atheism using the most consistently reliable method known. That my atheism is based on the correct use of rationality and evidence, when applied to the god claim.

[Aliza]

And there's plenty wrong with divorce. Making your kids feel like shit, breaking apart a family, breaking a promise you made, having to live knowing you made a huge mistake and everyone who is aware of the 'd' word will be judging you and questioning your judgment. I mean, yeah, there's benefit to getting out of a shitty marriage but why not be more careful going in and make sure the risk is minimized?

...No one wants to address the roots of the problems, only the symptoms, and that's just foolhardy.

I have to say that's a very 'traditional' view of divorce and not really representative of the realities. Most often, children are happier once the breakup has occurred because it's worse to be in a dysfunctional relationship, rowing endlessly, than it is to leave it; it means an end to the breakdown of the spousal relationship and the beginnings of healing. You also seem to hold an idealistic view of the nuclear family and are ignoring the fact that it's an entirely recent concept, possible due to the cessation of familial death caused by modern medicine. As for the stigma to which you refer, that's becoming less and less common and certainly shouldn't be used as a rational for staying in a relationship. Would you really tell an abused spouse that they're better off taking it because of what the neighbours think?

Commonly, the root cause of a dysfunctional relationship is the people in it and likewise, the best solution is to remove them. Relationship counciling works by finding resolution to the arising conflicts and separation is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

I didn't realize that divorce held a negative connotation. I mean, I realized that it was viewed negatively in 1960, but I didn't realize that there are people still view it that way today.

One question that I have is whether or not the atheist divorce rate is lower because atheists are more comfortable living together without a formal marriage, such that when they call it quits, it doesn't count as a divorce. Maybe getting involved with the wrong partner and then realizing later that that person wasn't all they cracked up to be is really a human problem, not a theist problem.

[Astonished]

And there's plenty wrong with divorce. Making your kids feel like shit, breaking apart a family, breaking a promise you made, having to live knowing you made a huge mistake and everyone who is aware of the 'd' word will be judging you and questioning your judgment. I mean, yeah, there's benefit to getting out of a shitty marriage but why not be more careful going in and make sure the risk is minimized?

...No one wants to address the roots of the problems, only the symptoms, and that's just foolhardy.

I have to say that's a very 'traditional' view of divorce and not really representative of the realities. Most often, children are happier once the breakup has occurred because it's worse to be in a dysfunctional relationship, rowing endlessly, than it is to leave it; it means an end to the breakdown of the spousal relationship and the beginnings of healing. You also seem to hold an idealistic view of the nuclear family and are ignoring the fact that it's an entirely recent concept, possible due to the cessation of familial death caused by modern medicine. As for the stigma to which you refer, that's becoming less and less common and certainly shouldn't be used as a rational for staying in a relationship. Would you really tell an abused spouse that they're better off taking it because of what the neighbours think?

Commonly, the root cause of a dysfunctional relationship is the people in it and likewise, the best solution is to remove them. Relationship counciling works by finding resolution to the arising conflicts and separation is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

Really? As a child of a broken home I had the cumbersome burden of knowing I wasn't wanted and living with the stigma of that, so there's the reality of a situation even if it's not the norm; what kid doesn't spend at least some time feeling like their parents would be happier if they could go back and do it all over again, without their divorce spouse and without the burden of being a single parent? And having that sort of stigma attached to the parent as a divorcee made it impossible for my mom to ever find anyone else. I don't mind if the statistics say that my situation isn't the normal state of affairs but to ignore that those situations happen is to shit all over my suffering and I don't stand for that kind of shit. It's not for everyone and don't try to tell me it's preferable to having gone into a committed relationship with better planning and prep beforehand in the first place.

But then, that's not a very great thing when you're an atheist child in a neighborhood full of hypocritical theistic bigots.

[The Valkyrie]

Guilt free orgies.


Just saying.

[JackRussell]

Guilt free orgies.


Just saying.

Too sticky for me, but then I was asked to provide citation for hot sex with my wife, and that's quite sticky too

[The Valkyrie]

Guilt free orgies.


Just saying.

Too sticky for me, but then I was asked to provide citation for hot sex with my wife, and that's quite sticky too

You know you're supposed to wash her off after you're done!