The Official "Damned Trump" Thread

[Fireball]

Worsted.

[Fake Messiah]

It does paint her as a dogmatic person - but as she and the FFRF have crossed swords before - you really wouldn't expect an unbiased opinion.......

Anything from any law review mags or other groups with less bias?

Let me ask you, do you think that ffrf is wrong when they claim that:
- Barrett is hostile to reproductive justice and the right to safe abortion access
- Barret wants to strip health care from millions of Americans
- Barrett supports Christian Nationalist efforts against immigration
- Barrett opposes giving First Amendment litigants their day in court

And is there any other reason she could be all that that is not because of religious dogma?

And when it comes to other publications, the articles about her are "Well, we're not sure. Maybe she's serious and maybe she's not all that serious, you decide."

Like this article from wp

The story behind Amy Coney Barrett’s little-known Christian group People of Praise

Judge Amy Coney Barrett, President Trump’s latest Supreme Court nominee, is a hero of some religious Americans, but others view her connection to a little-understood faith group with deep suspicion.

Some view People of Praise — which calls for members to seek guidance in many aspects of their lives from a personal spiritual guide — as having a potentially inappropriate sway over a judge’s decision-making. Even Pope Francis in 2014 warned lay-led groups such as Barrett’s about “usurping individual freedom” and delegating “important decisions about their lives to others.”

When Barrett was confirmed as a U.S. Circuit Court judge in 2017, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) angered some Catholics by bringing up Barrett’s Catholicism. “You have a long history of believing your religious beliefs should prevail,” Feinstein said to Barrett. “When you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you. And that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.”

Feinstein’s oddly worded phrase that “the dogma lives loudly” became an instant meme among some Catholics, who said it showed outright bias, and they put it on coffee mugs and T-shirts as a sign of pride.

Thomas Csordas, an anthropologist at the University of California at San Diego who is a leading scholar on Catholic charismatic groups, said the same communal impulse that generated the hippie communes of the 1960s fueled religious groups such as People of Praise at the same time. “They were looking for that sense of community. They took it in a direction that was conservative, authoritarian and patriarchal,” he said.

Massimo Faggioli, a church historian and theologian at Villanova University, a Catholic school, studies these lay-led movements — also called “renewal” groups — that began popping up since Vatican II. They are, he says, considered both engines of innovation and energy within the Catholic Church but also potentially of concern, because in some cases they lack transparency and can be “very militant. They are like Christians of the second and third century. They devote everything to the mission.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/...y-barrett/

[Jackalope]

Worsted.

It's worsterer, duh.

[Deesse23]

Worsted.

It's worsterer, duh.

wurst

[onlinebiker]

It does paint her as a dogmatic person - but as she and the FFRF have crossed swords before - you really wouldn't expect an unbiased opinion.......

Anything from any law review mags or other groups with less bias?

Let me ask you, do you think that ffrf is wrong when they claim that:
- Barrett is hostile to reproductive justice and the right to safe abortion access
 - Barret wants to strip health care from millions of Americans
 - Barrett supports Christian Nationalist efforts against immigration
 - Barrett opposes giving First Amendment litigants their day in court

And is there any other reason she could be all that that is not because of religious dogma?

And when it comes to other publications, the articles about her are "Well, we're not sure. Maybe she's serious and maybe she's not all that serious, you decide."

Like this article from wp

The story behind Amy Coney Barrett’s little-known Christian group People of Praise

Judge Amy Coney Barrett, President Trump’s latest Supreme Court nominee, is a hero of some religious Americans, but others view her connection to a little-understood faith group with deep suspicion.

Some view People of Praise — which calls for members to seek guidance in many aspects of their lives from a personal spiritual guide — as having a potentially inappropriate sway over a judge’s decision-making. Even Pope Francis in 2014 warned lay-led groups such as Barrett’s about “usurping individual freedom” and delegating “important decisions about their lives to others.”

When Barrett was confirmed as a U.S. Circuit Court judge in 2017, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) angered some Catholics by bringing up Barrett’s Catholicism. “You have a long history of believing your religious beliefs should prevail,” Feinstein said to Barrett. “When you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you. And that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.”

Feinstein’s oddly worded phrase that “the dogma lives loudly” became an instant meme among some Catholics, who said it showed outright bias, and they put it on coffee mugs and T-shirts as a sign of pride.

Thomas Csordas, an anthropologist at the University of California at San Diego who is a leading scholar on Catholic charismatic groups, said the same communal impulse that generated the hippie communes of the 1960s fueled religious groups such as People of Praise at the same time. “They were looking for that sense of community. They took it in a direction that was conservative, authoritarian and patriarchal,” he said.

Massimo Faggioli, a church historian and theologian at Villanova University, a Catholic school, studies these lay-led movements — also called “renewal” groups — that began popping up since Vatican II. They are, he says, considered both engines of innovation and energy within the Catholic Church but also potentially of concern, because in some cases they lack transparency and can be “very militant. They are like Christians of the second and third century. They devote everything to the mission.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/...y-barrett/

I certainly paints her in the worst possible light.


You do realize - the same sort of thing was said about another Catholic - the fear being that he wouLd take his marching orders from the pope - JFK.

Is FFRF right about her? It is a possibility.

I suspect time will tell.

[no one]

Time will always tell.

[Fake Messiah]

You do realize - the same sort of thing was said about another Catholic - the fear being that he wouLd  take his marching orders from the pope - JFK.

Barrett is more than a Catholic - she is a member of a religious cult that inspired the novel "The Handmaid's Tale". And she's been against women's rights; saying that she wants to create something like "God's empire" or kingdom, etc.

On the other hand, you have Joe Biden who is also a Catholic, and do the same critics say the same things about him? I haven't noticed, did you? That's because Joe Biden doesn't let his religion govern his politics.

[Pat Mustard]

She's not competent.  She think's there no such thing as precedence in US jurisprudence for example.  She also thinks that her religious beliefs trump the law.

[Off topic]

Not to single you out, Nomad, but I am losing my grammar Nazi mind over something that’s  happened here several times recently.

‘Precedent’ is something citing as a guide or example, such as ‘a legal precedent’.

‘Precedence’ means an assigned priority as in, ‘If you’re on a budget, paying your rent takes precedence over buying that really cool limited edition lightsaber.’

There. I feel better now.

Boru

No worries, I meant precedent but missed it when looking over the post.

[onlinebiker]

You do realize - the same sort of thing was said about another Catholic - the fear being that he wouLd  take his marching orders from the pope - JFK.

Barrett is more than a Catholic - she is a member of a religious cult that inspired the novel "The Handmaid's Tale". And she's been against women's rights; saying that she wants to create something like "God's empire" or kingdom, etc.

On the other hand, you have Joe Biden who is also a Catholic, and do the same critics say the same things about him? I haven't noticed, did you? That's because Joe Biden doesn't let his religion govern his politics.

Or because he is on the same side as those that are making all the noise about her.......


Because she is on "the other side"......


You don't suppose THAT has anything to do with it?

[Angrboda]

Bias and values are a separate issue from competence. I have no doubt she'd produce rulings I don't like. That doesn't make her incompetent.