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(October 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm)orogenicman Wrote: Hi everyone. My name username describes what I do. I'll let you folks figure out what it means. I'm also an active amateur astronomer. So of course, I love to have discussions about science. I note that there is a gentleman currently posting who claims to be a science teacher and yet is obviously a YEC. I've got years of experience arguing with these folks and so I welcome all YEComers. But be warned, my BS-O-meter runs 24/7.
I too prefer to keep the discussion reasonable and civil, and hope that we can all do so. Remember, we are all adults here. Let's try to act the part.
-OGM
I like you already. Welcome.
We get plenty of interesting folks around here and there are plenty of interesting things to chat about so take your time and look around.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
(October 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(October 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm)orogenicman Wrote: Hi everyone. My name username describes what I do. I'll let you folks figure out what it means. I'm also an active amateur astronomer. So of course, I love to have discussions about science. I note that there is a gentleman currently posting who claims to be a science teacher and yet is obviously a YEC. I've got years of experience arguing with these folks and so I welcome all YEComers. But be warned, my BS-O-meter runs 24/7.
I too prefer to keep the discussion reasonable and civil, and hope that we can all do so. Remember, we are all adults here. Let's try to act the part.
-OGM
Welcome to the board,
I am assuming this is supposed to be me even though it is not an accurate representation of what I said. I said in my introduction that I was a Science Teacher, I now work as a Scientist for the US Government. Why did you use the word "claim" when applying to my job but not when applying to your's? You "claim" to be a Geologist right? Let's be fair and civil here.
It's really very simple, friend. Anyone who claims to be a scientist, regardless of who they work for, and yet cannot get even the most fundamental aspects of science right, lacks credibility. I can be civil towards you as an individual, but there is no reason to suppose that I must be civil with regard to any extraordinary claims. It falls upon the person making those claims to back them up. And from what I've read so far, you've done a remarkably poor job of backing up your claim to have been a science teacher, much less a government scientist. By the way, in what discipline, if I may ask, are you allegedly working as a government scientist? And if you are working for the government, why are you wasting taxpayer money posting on this forum during working hours?
(October 14, 2010 at 4:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No wonder we're fucked.
Well, Min, it looks like you were right in the end.
He probably got his job when the Bush Administration was still in power.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
(October 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I am assuming this is supposed to be me even though it is not an accurate representation of what I said. I said in my introduction that I was a Science Teacher, I now work as a Scientist for the US Government.
(October 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I am assuming this is supposed to be me even though it is not an accurate representation of what I said. I said in my introduction that I was a Science Teacher, I now work as a Scientist for the US Government.
Prove it. What is your field of science?
Obviously, creation science....two lies for the price of one.
October 14, 2010 at 10:38 pm (This post was last modified: October 14, 2010 at 10:49 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(October 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm)orogenicman Wrote:
(October 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(October 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm)orogenicman Wrote: Hi everyone. My name username describes what I do. I'll let you folks figure out what it means. I'm also an active amateur astronomer. So of course, I love to have discussions about science. I note that there is a gentleman currently posting who claims to be a science teacher and yet is obviously a YEC. I've got years of experience arguing with these folks and so I welcome all YEComers. But be warned, my BS-O-meter runs 24/7.
I too prefer to keep the discussion reasonable and civil, and hope that we can all do so. Remember, we are all adults here. Let's try to act the part.
-OGM
Welcome to the board,
I am assuming this is supposed to be me even though it is not an accurate representation of what I said. I said in my introduction that I was a Science Teacher, I now work as a Scientist for the US Government. Why did you use the word "claim" when applying to my job but not when applying to your's? You "claim" to be a Geologist right? Let's be fair and civil here.
It's really very simple, friend. Anyone who claims to be a scientist, regardless of who they work for, and yet cannot get even the most fundamental aspects of science right, lacks credibility. I can be civil towards you as an individual, but there is no reason to suppose that I must be civil with regard to any extraordinary claims. It falls upon the person making those claims to back them up. And from what I've read so far, you've done a remarkably poor job of backing up your claim to have been a science teacher, much less a government scientist. By the way, in what discipline, if I may ask, are you allegedly working as a government scientist? And if you are working for the government, why are you wasting taxpayer money posting on this forum during working hours?
Oh no, you are going to take over this guy's introduction thread? That's not very nice. I think I have backed my Scientific Knowledge up quite well. I am quite frankly skeptical of your Scientific Education- let me guess High School diploma? It can't be more than that. I work as an Environmental Scientist for the Department of Ag. I don't post while at work (don't even have access to this site), so you don't have to worry about me wasting your precious tax dollars. Take that beef out with those running congress.
(October 14, 2010 at 4:58 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:
(October 14, 2010 at 4:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No wonder we're fucked.
Well, Min, it looks like you were right in the end.
He probably got his job when the Bush Administration was still in power.
Already pointed out that this was a baseless assertioin, now you are starting to repeat your same baseless assertions? I actually was hired under Obama. Blame him lol.
(October 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Sad, huh?
You know I don't think I have ever seen you even attempt to form an argument. I am going to start calling you "The Assertion" lol. Are you just not into logic or science? Are you scared of what other's might think? What's the reason? I mean these other guys at least try to formulate basic arguments and back up their viewpoints, you have yet to do that. Basic logic is pretty easy, I'd even help you out sometime if you wanted to learn it- anything to improve our interactions.
Quote:Oh no, you are going to take over this guy's introduction thread? That's not very nice. I think I have backed my Scientific Knowledge up quite well. I am quite frankly skeptical of your Scientific Education- let me guess High School diploma? It can't be more than that. I work as an Environmental Scientist for the Department of Ag. I don't post while at work (don't even have access to this site), so you don't have to worry about me wasting your precious tax dollars. Take that beef out with those running congress.
So, if I need soil samples analyzed for herbicides and pesticides, I know who to call. Good to know. If I want rock samples tested via radioisotopic methods, I think I'll do that myself. You'll probably screw those up.
I was an environmental consultant working for companies such as Chevron and Marathon for 20 years before I became disabled. During that time, I remained active as a field geologist, conducting geologic and karst surverys, collecting minerals and fossils, and am published in the Journal of Paleontology.
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